D&D 5E (2024) WotC Should Make 5.5E Specific Setting

[Hussar]

Can you answer the question please, @Maxperson? Is it your contention that it is entirely coincidental that these elements only appear in a setting after they appear in the rules? That these elements were always part of the setting, just off screen? And, their appearance "on screen" has absolutely nothing to do with their appearance in the rules?

Is that correct?

 

[Zardnaar]

But here's the thing... The absence of something in previous edition doesn't mean that the setting is encased in amber and not allowed to grow with and assimilate new options introduced to the game. Adding in a platoon of dwarven wizards doesn't rewrite the setting, it just introduces a new facet that was afore unbeknownst.


Well, actually... There's Melf and his favorite acid arrows.


You mean during 1e, when Unearthed Arcana allowed elves to become high priests (assuming they have the necessary ability scores).


They didn't have to at all, they just decided (without my input, no less ) and ruined things in so doing. They could have simply hand-waved the differences away and no one would have blinked.



Because they unwarrantedly believe that they needed to do that in the change from 1e to 2e for some reason I cannot fathom. However, FR was spared a RSE when it was upgraded to 3e.



Well, Dark Sun and Ravenloft both had RESs in the middle of an edition. And FR had the Horde shaking some realms.

That's not an absolute truth.

If they water down what made the setting appealing in the first place..... I think Spelljammer and Planescape did that. Ravenloft as well.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Can you answer the question please, @Maxperson? Is it your contention that it is entirely coincidental that these elements only appear in a setting after they appear in the rules? That these elements were always part of the setting, just off screen? And, their appearance "on screen" has absolutely nothing to do with their appearance in the rules?

Is that correct?

The vast majority of people who ever lived on this planet are not recoded in any history. The tiny fraction of people who do get recorded is entirely coincidental, yes.

But there is no need for there to be any other dwarven wizards in the world in order for PC Bob to be a dwarven wizard. Because PC Bob is exceptional, like all player characters.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

That's not an absolute truth.

If they water down what made the setting appealing in the first place..... I think Spelljammer and Planescape did that. Ravenloft as well.

No, Spelljammer was poorly executed, lacked content and had ship combat rules that are simply not fun. There changes to the setting (such as getting rid of the sillly phlo stuff) were improvements.

And VGR fixed a lot of the stupidities that were introduced in the 2nd edition boxed set. It’s an excellent book, but could have been longer.

 

[Zardnaar]

No, Spelljammer was poorly executed, lacked content and had ship combat rules that are simply not fun. There changes to the setting (such as getting rid of the sillly phlo stuff) were improvements.

And VGR fixed a lot of the stupidities that were introduced in the 2nd edition boxed set. It’s an excellent book, but could have been longer.

You forgot to add an IMHO.

You keep dismissing people's opinions constantly.

Any IP that changes things (movies, games, beer, whatever) with the assumption that they can attract new consumers and keep the old ones are fools. Assumptions are the mother of all F ups.

New Coke comes to mind. 4E D&D is another. Movie reboots often blow up and flop hard.

Sone peopke think change at any price is ibe. Theyre entitled to that opinion. Reality however dictates product change that alienates your core audience and fails to attract a new one dont tend to change around.

Where that line exists consists of way to many factors.

I dont think anyone cares to much about new Ravenloft now vs the old one. Beyond Curse of Strahd anyway.

Anemic, corporate, watered down slop tends to have that effect. Applies to music, games, books, RPGs anything really. What counts as slop is up to the consumer.