The options that the devs tried weren't particularly good, typically being too radical in either one way or the opposite way. The same was true for the first few iterations of the Artificer. I would not mind a Psion that used spells. And 5e already has alternative spell mechanics apart from full casting that would be suitable for psionics: i.e., Ki and Pact Magic.LOL. Nobody is "keeping the psion from consideration as a class". The devs tried a few options, none was popular enough to make it into a publication yet. That may or may not change.
Don't get snarky about me being demeaning to you if you only planned on engaging in similar behavior yourself. It comes across as hypocritical.There is no anti-psion illuminati.
What is a Sorcerer but a Wizard with some tweaks? Your entire argument seems hypocritical to me.So I'll ask my question again. What would a psion look like other than a sorcerer/warlock/wizard with different fluff? Spell points? There's a variant rule in the DMG. What spells or powers would distinguish them?
Then it's not people "keeping a psion from being developed". It's that nobody has come up with a clear picture of what a psion should be in 5E. Big difference.The options that the devs tried weren't particularly good, typically being too radical in either one way or the opposite way. The same was true for the first few iterations of the Artificer. I would not mind a Psion that used spells. And 5e already has alternative spell mechanics apart from full casting that would be suitable for psionics: i.e., Ki and Pact Magic.
Don't get snarky about me being demeaning to you if you only planned on engaging in similar behavior yourself. It comes across as hypocritical.
Those classes play differently. Again: what would a psion look like? We have basic archetypes. Wizards learn from books, sorcerers (which to me are basically psions by a different name, YMMV) have natural ability, bards are just sooo darned cute.What is a Sorcerer but a Wizard with some tweaks? Your entire argument seems hypocritical to me.
No, that's intellectually dishonest. I do not wish to come across as rude, but you're wrong. Psionics is not inherently "sci-fi" (D&D bends genre anyway, just look at Spelljammer), and that was not my argument.
My argument is that psionics is no more disruptive than having 'divine' magic as opposed to 'arcane' magic. Where exactly is this trend in most fantasy literature?
Tell me, how would a Psion not play differently than another spellcaster? If your metric indicates that Sorcerers play differently than Wizards to an appreciable degree, then why is this not the case for an official class with no spells, psi points, and disciplines that scale with points?Those classes play differently. Again: what would a psion look like? We have basic archetypes. Wizards learn from books, sorcerers (which to me are basically psions by a different name, YMMV) have natural ability, bards are just sooo darned cute.
I have no problem with psions, but nobody can seem to address that basic issue other than "I want ... something". Which is what I originally asked. What would make them unique other than fluff?
Alright, fair enough. My argument was that psionics is not the same as magic mechanically, but I suppose it can be said to be an archetype of magic lore-wise.Then maybe I misunderstood. You literally said that any argument that psionics was another form of magic was garbage. That means you don't think it's like any other form of magic. Which is also the answer to your question as to why some people don't like it. Because it's not another form of magic, but something completely unique. And for many, like me, magic fits well in fantasy because magic is all over fantasy literature and tropes, while psionics is common in sci fi, but I can't really recall it that often in traditional high fantasy literature.
Tell me, how would a Psion not play differently than another spellcaster? If your metric indicates that Sorcerers play differently than Wizards to an appreciable degree, then why is this not the case for an official class with no spells, psi points, and disciplines that scale with points?
The Mystic, the most official Psion, is rather different than a spellcaster, is it not?