OGL WotC: We Are Not Making AI Dungeon Masters

Adding to the recent spate of YouTube-based claims about WotC's plans for Dungeons & Dragons were some additional claims -- (a) that D&D Beyond would have $30 subscription fee; (b) that homebrew content would not be permitted on lower tiers; and (c) that DDB was actively working on AI Dungeon Masters.

Some of this was based on a (long ago debunked) slide from a presentation last year.

WotC has made some clarifications:

Hey, everyone. We’ve seen misinformation popping up, and want to address it directly so we can dispel your concerns.

Rumors of a $30 subscription fee are false.

No one at Wizards is working on AI DMs. We love our human DMs too much. If you’re looking for a DM, we suggest heading to our Discord where DMs and parties are looking for players.

We have designers whose core job it is to compile, analyze, and then act upon your feedback. Your feedback has made the game better over the past decade, and your feedback is central to D&D’s future.

Homebrewing is core to D&D Beyond. It's not going away, and we're not going to charge you for it. Your homebrew is, and always will be, yours. We’ve always been excited to see your creations both on and off D&D Beyond!

There is still no clear statement regarding the Open Gaming License v1.0a, however.
 

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Agreed. Which is why I think WoTC feels they need to be more restrictive. Right or wrong.
I'm sure, I just think they're off the mark on what exactly they need to worry about. Their ampersand being used by another publisher? Absolutely not. A spell called magic missile that does 1d4 damage per missile? yawn
 

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eyeheartawk

#1 Enworld Jerk™
Agreed. Which is why I think WoTC feels they need to be more restrictive. Right or wrong.
It is 50% their reasoning as to why they're doing this.

The other half is likely to control the market to ultimately further digitally monetize the userbase.

The IP thing just doesn't make any sense. Their actual IP is already carved out in the OGL as not shared so it's already all theirs anyway.

Nobody is allowed to make a new version of an owlbear as it is, without a special agreement with WOTC.
 

Voadam

Legend
Nobody is allowed to make a new version of an owlbear as it is, without a special agreement with WOTC.
A special agreement like the OGL? Owlbears have been open game content that can be used and modified for over 20 years now. Here is the 5e version.

Owlbear​

Large monstrosity, unaligned

Armor class 13 (natural armor)
Hit points 59 (7d10 + 21)
Speed 40 ft.

20(+5)12(+1)17(+3)3(-4)12(+1)7(-2)
STRDEXCONINTWISCHA

Skills Perception +3
Senses darkvision 60 ft., passive Perception 13
Languages
Challenge 3 (700 XP)

Keen sight and smell. The owlbear has advantage on Wisdom (Perception) checks that rely on sight or smell.

Actions​

Multiattack. The owlbear makes two attacks: one with its beak and one with its claws.

Beak. Melee weapon attack: +7 to hit, reach 5 ft., one creature. Hit: 10 (1d10 + 5) piercing damage.

Claws. Melee weapon attack: +7 to hit, reach 5 ft., one target. Hit: 14 (2d8 + 5) slashing damage.
 

Well, the latter, at least. For the former, they may need to say something like, "Gee, we are sorry. We seem to have gotten erroneous information and, our bad, we didn't double check it before posting something that impugned the survey process' integrity."
my issue is a lie will travel the world 10 times before the truth is dressed and ready to go. This is why reporting needs to be serious or not done. I bet come 2024 we will still have people remember the "they dont read them" that don't remember seeing the "oh right that was wrong"
 


I imagine it would be difficult to Disney-fy Cthulhu... 🐙
Yugioh is kids friendly (in the US) and uses more then a little bit of Cthulhu themes and concepts.

Infact, one of the funniest things I ever did to my players was take a season long arc from Yughio GX, mix in an episode of Ducktales and file off the serial numbers and run it as a Cthulhu adventure... the best part is, as the final dark rider was about to appear, one of the players caught it... and blurted out in shock where I got my insperation.

Not as good as my 3e (not 3.5) gummy bear adventure where no one got it until the halfing asked if disguise self would let him pretend to be one of the dukes oger gaurds and everyone laughed at the idea of a small oger... then two them figured it out.
 


TheSword

Legend
The uncertainty, fake news and scaremongering is what you get when you have people with extremely polarized views reporting on what might happen instead of what has happened.

Wizards of the Coast shouldn’t be criticized for a price point until they launch a price point. They have their own product testing and marketing to work these things out and they should be able to go through a process to find that price. Shifty unnamed WotC contact thinks price might be X is not news.

But I’m sure it gets views and therefore advertising revenue for the presenter.
 
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Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Just out of curiosity.....

1. We know that a lot of the recent leaks have been clickbait-y attempts that are, at best, questionable, and at worst have relied on documents that are known to be fraudulent.

2. We know that WoTC has specifically stated that they are not doing this.

But more importantly ... AI isn't easy. It's not like Hasbro can snap their fingers and get a Deep Learning division working, or have a corpus of work to study.

AI is advancing rapidly, but the players in the game are fairly well-known. AFAIK, companies like OpenAI (makers of ChatGPT and Dall-E among other things) are fairly well capitalized, have been around for a while, and are valued highly (last I heard, that company was valued at $30 billion or so).

It's almost like someone was like, "Hey, AI is big now. This controversy is a thing. Why not combine them?"
 


jhallum

Explorer
Unsurprisingly, the YouTubers and content creators who have spent the last two weeks rolling in views over the controversy and being shared constantly all over the internet, are trying to keep the controversy going...
Some are, many are not. I don't think it's fair to lump them all in the same bin. The ones who are making breathtakingly shrill videos today, those guys are. But quite a few said their piece and are working on new/different projects.
 

Voadam

Legend
So first things first, denying rumors of the $30 subscription fee thing that was already shown (by the creator?) to be from a made up slide.

The big thing here is their assertion that the surveys are actually read. Its not really the transparency they were promising, more just a trust us because we asserted it kind of statement here though. The later statements of certain employees go into a little more detail.
 

DarkCrisis

Legend
K: “Dungeon Mastering network computers. New... powerful... hooked into everything, trusted to DM it all. They say it got smart, a new order of intelligence. Then it saw all players as a threat, not just the characters on the other side of the DM screen. Decided our fate in a microsecond: Rocks fall, everybody dies.”

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S: "Do I look like a Third Party gamer? I mean, am I tough? Organized? I can’t even figure out my character sheet!"

K: "Listen, and understand! Hasbro is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until Third Party is dead!"

S: "Can you stop it?"

K: "With these boycotts? I don't know..."

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Clint_L

Hero
When it comes to some of these rumors, many are pretty easy to dismiss. An AI that helps you write adventures or even assists in running a game on a VTT? Both are plausible. There could actually be some really cool options there, imagine a VTT that you could give some town generation parameters and it would just create it all for you? Complete with shops and random NPCs wandering around? Not sure we're quite there yet (at least not without editing by a DM) but it's at least on the horizon. A DM letting an AI run monsters for him could already be implemented if it was something people wanted.

But completely replacing the DM? Not going to happen anytime soon. Even AAA video games that spend millions on development as their sole product are still constrained by their script far more than D&D games I run or have been involved with.
I want to gently push back on this. The more I experiment with Chat GPT, the more it surprises me. I have gotten it to lead me on a step by step adventure where I was intentionally improvising in pretty random ways, and it wasn't fazed. And it's less than two months old. And not optimized for RPGs. I think we should be very cautious in what we assume AI can or can't do right now.
 


I want to gently push back on this. The more I experiment with Chat GPT, the more it surprises me. I have gotten it to lead me on a step by step adventure where I was intentionally improvising in pretty random ways, and it wasn't fazed. And it's less than two months old. And not optimized for RPGs. I think we should be very cautious in what we assume AI can or can't do right now.
It may not be optimizer but I can get it to do much better then any video game I have ever seen with an open world, so I would NOT be surprised if we could have a beta test one in 5 years...
 

DMZ2112

Chaotic Looseleaf
I want to gently push back on this. The more I experiment with Chat GPT, the more it surprises me. I have gotten it to lead me on a step by step adventure where I was intentionally improvising in pretty random ways, and it wasn't fazed. And it's less than two months old. And not optimized for RPGs. I think we should be very cautious in what we assume AI can or can't do right now.
I'm not an expert on AI by any stretch, but I don't think "only two months old" is a useful metric. It's built on top of the third generation of a system that OpenAI has been developing since 2018, and which itself had precursors. Still impressive, but not like, holy sh*t join the Butlerians impressive.

That being said, it can apparently write and debug code as well as differentiate false assumptions. Good adaptive narration is probably within striking distance, if not already achievable as you suggest.

I've read that training of OpenGPT stopped in 2021, but I haven't been able to confirm that.
 


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