Would you suggest the Ebberon Campaign Setting?

[Krieg]

Personally I would be far more interested in Keith's reaction/response to Kai's conclusions.

 

[Mythtify]

So would I, though I don't think that they would be able to be posted here, for the same reasons the other thread got closed.

 

[Krieg]

I'm not quite sure on that account.

While the topic has the potential to go down the wrong path (as is too often the case) I do feel that Keith should have the opportunity allowed to defend his work against allegations.

Unfortunately it is a very narrow line.

 

[Mouseferatu]

Kai Lord, I understand why you wouldn't want to get back into this, after the last thread. But I do think you should have gone into a little more detail in your post in this thread. By saying "I dislike the setting, I'm not going into why," you leave your comments open to interpretation that is unfair to the setting. Anyone could read that and think "Wait, so is there a mechanical portion of it he doens't like?" Or "Is the book full of typos?"

Even if you weren't going to go into detail, I think it would have been appropriate to say "I take issue with some of the imagery in this book due to personal and religious reasons." That's just as valid a point as any, but it makes it clear what the nature of your objection is, and allows the original poster to reach his own conclusions with clarity of input.

 

[Snoweel]

yangnome and Emiricol, you've got mail. Gez, yes, there are a few other things, but they're for the same reason as the Dragons and their marks.

Me too Kai Lord.

I'm also highly interested in the power of images and likely share most of your religious beliefs. I dug your dragonmarks thread too.

snoweel AT hotmail DOT com

Thanks

 

[Hellcow]

Kai Lord's orginal "Eberron and the book of Revelations" thread: http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=92568

Wowser! Now I feel embrassed about my Hellcow handle (which is based on my adventure in En Route, which does not even involve an actual demon). All I can say about this is that James Wyatt is a devout Christian and former minister -- I believe his website recently had a discussion about his faith and D&D -- and that certainly I didn't have the Book of Revelations in mind when designing Eberron. On the contrary, I drew more of my personal inspiration from Babylonian or Norse mythology, with the world being built from the bones of Ymir. Siberys, after all, is the remnants of a destroyed dragon -- if it was ever really a "dragon" at all in any meaningful sense of the word.

I see that Kai Lord does acknowledge that in Eberron the three progenitor dragons are not all evil, and that in fact two are good. Now, as I read his argument, that itself is part of the problem -- that we are depicting creatures that have a resemblance to the beasts of the apocalypse as being good, whereas in fact it's because it never occured to me at least that they bore any resemblance to beasts of the apocalypse. Some Eastern beliefs also deal with universal dragons, and this was much closer to what we had in mind than Christian doctrine.

I realize that this is not the forum to discuss these issues, so I'll stop here. Kai Lord, I'm sorry that the book offends you in this way, and I can only say that the points you raised never crossed my mind in the slightest in the creation of the setting. I'll pose it to James, as I'm very curious what he'll have to say about it.

 

[MDSnowman]

Wowser! Now I feel embrassed about my Hellcow handle (which is based on my adventure in En Route, which does not even involve an actual demon).

And here I thought it was Diablo 2 Reference.

 

[Snoweel]

I do feel that Keith should have the opportunity allowed to defend his work against allegations.

'Allegations' is in itself too strong a word.

They are more like observations and while I understand completely what Kai was getting at, the same observation won't stop me buying the setting.

But I think it's fair for Kai to make his observations public (though framing them as warnings, which is how I took his post, is probably going a bit far).

All I can say about this is that James Wyatt is a devout Christian and former minister

FAITH TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Twiggly the Gnome]

I find the singling out of Eberron in this manner rather odd. If I were concerned about the appropriation of christian imagery into D&D game products, I'd be much more troubled by the Forgotten Realms over-god Ao. Here you have a clear allegory of the christian God (the Alpha and Omega), being used to sanction a dogmatically polytheistic religious cosmology.

Of course I think there are better reasons to dislike Forgotten Realms than for it's sugar coating of the lure of paganism.

 

[Hellcow]

I just have to say one last thing on this topic, and then I promise I'll leave it alone. Moderators, please feel free to simply remove my posts if this is inappropriate.

What I find fascinating about this is that one reason I was glad to move away from the Great Wheel cosmology was to leave behind trappings of Earthly religion -- the Abyss, Gehenna, the Nine Hells, the archdevils, and all that. People have asked where the archdevils would fit in, and my point is that they shouldn't -- they are part of Earthly beliefs, and Eberron is not part of this creation. So I find it somewhat ironic that in attempting to leave something that bothered me because of its ties to real religion behind, we managed to step in another religious minefield. The best laid plans...