Would you Swap 3.5e for Exalted?

[pawsplay]

Worst WW game I've played since Hunter, and terribly disappointing.

Ouch.

 

[JoeGKushner]

I'm with Scott on this one - it's insulting to existing D&D players, implying that they're somehow inferior for playing their game; graduate to a 'real' game, effectively.

And yet, hasn't WoTC done a great deal of that with their marketing? Haven't they been showcasing 4e, often in contrast to 3e as superior?

They've also generated a lot of il-will with the poorly timed cancellation of Dungeon/Dragon and the hugely inferior DDI replacement.

It's probably pretty easy to see how WW could go, "How can we turn that animosity to our potential adventage.

That they're asking people to destroy perfectly good books is just plain stupid.

Well, are they asking people to do it or are they going to do it themselves? Heck, I remember in protest one dude put his copy of Nightwing through a shredder because he hated the writing and art. Difference between the two.

Mark me as a firm no; and WW just lost my business and that of my gaming group, to boot.

Jim, why must you use your power for evil? Can't you let the gaming group make up it's own mind or are you merely the spokesman?

 

[frankthedm]

A team of Exalted sat around whiffing rolls, doing negligible damage and otherwise just sucking. Worst WW game I've played since Hunter, and terribly disappointing.

What was your opposition? Deathknights and other signifigant foes will often bring in the minimum damage rules. Saw it in the group's test combat and i did not like it.

 

[Asmor]

I'm truly puzzled about everyone's reaction to the idea of destroying the books. I was raised to treat all books as holy... I won't even write or highlight in my textbooks. But for some reason, this just doesn't bother me at all.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you all for feeling so strongly about it... Heck, maybe there's something wrong with me, because it seems like I should be against it. But I'm not.

 

[pawsplay]

It's just that these books might provide pleasure to someone, somewhere. They will never be in print again; the books that exist now are likely all that will ever exist. Once they are gone, they are gone. You can hope for, at best, a digital scan to PDF.

It seems a sad fate for a very successful roleplaying game. There are obviously more than enough copies out there right now, but on the principle of thing, it bothers me. Even if it wasn't WW's intention, it's kind of the natural result of an aggressive zero-sum gambit. It just seems mean.

 

[Imaro]

There is a huge difference between a company disposing of their own excess stock (whether donating them somewhere would be a better option or not is a different topic) and a company destroying their competitors book.


@ Imaro, WW is giving the books away for free. They are getting exactly zero reimbursement for the 2e books. They would get the same zero amount without destroying the PHBs.

And what I'm saying is, gaming companies do this all the time with books. What will happen to unsold 3.5 PHB's after 4e is released? Is WotC going to donate or give away these excess books? Nope, they will be stripped(destroyed) and the covers sent back. So again I ask why is WW suddenly evil for doing what they want with books they now own since they are essentially bartering for them, but WotC isn't for doing the same thing with books they own?

 

[GammaPaladin]

I'm not a fan of how wasteful corporate culture is with things like that, to be honest. So much perfectly good stuff is simply thrown away and destroyed, while there are poor people who wouldn't be able to afford it out there...

 

[pawsplay]

And what I'm saying is, gaming companies do this all the time with books. What will happen to unsold 3.5 PHB's after 4e is released? Is WotC going to donate or give away these excess books? Nope, they will be stripped(destroyed) and the covers sent back. So again I ask why is WW suddenly evil for doing what they want with books they now own since they are essentially bartering for them, but WotC isn't for doing the same thing with books they own?

Because it's unnecessary. WotC is just trying to protect their margins, WW is encouraging people, basically, to throw gaming books into the trash.

Also, I expect WotC will destroy few books. Most will be liquidated, especially to used book stores.

 

[Teflon Billy]

I would do it in a heartbeat (I won a few copies of all the core books), but I also already won Exalted 2E.

This whole "IT'S WRONG TO DESTROY BOOKS!!!111" thing is too precious though

I mean honestly, books get destroyed for all manner of reasons. Retail returns get destroyed constantly as a matter of policy.

I'd be worried if this was a fundie group doing a public burning as a symbolic "destruction of the information"...but it just isn't.

Anyway, I've had a lot of trouble actually running Exalted. The power level is too insanely high for me to really challenge the PC's with standard RPG tropes (particularly those with Social Charms).

The most luck I've had with it is transplanting the tropes I've used for Superhero roleplaying onto the medieval asian setting Exalted presents...and even then the results haven't been great.

 

[Teflon Billy]

Because it's unnecessary. WotC is just trying to protect their margins, WW is encouraging people, basically, to throw gaming books into the trash.

So..."businesses protecting margins" is Ok, but "doing what you like with your own property" is not?