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Would you Swap 3.5e for Exalted?
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cignus_pfaccari
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joela said:
Same.
Brad
wingsandsword
Legend
The thing is, you'd think I'd be a prime candidate for this. I don't want 4e, I've been a loyal 3.5e customer who has played it regularly since it came out, I haven't played Exalted but I've heard of it, and I already play and know other White Wolf games well (being a big fan of Mage especially, I just wish there was something like the NWoD rules for Mage on top of the OWoD setting/fluff). . .
However, I don't want it. I don't like destroying books, it's a personal ethical type thing for me. On top of that, I don't want to stop playing 3.5. A big reason I don't want 4e is that it appears to be going far from the 3.x and AD&D roots of the game with regards to flavor and play style. Trading in the game I already like for a game that goes even further away from those roots is not a good deal to me.
Now, if White Wolf was offering some sort of deep-discount program, like was suggested, of the Exalted 2e book for $5 or $10 I might even consider it, because I've heard a lot from people who have liked it and if it was cheap enough I might pick it up and try it and might even play it in addition to D&D, but not as a replacement.
As for the issue of playing a "supported" game, I don't see the appeal really. I knew people that played AD&D 1e for well over a decade past when it ceased production, I know that older editions of D&D that will never be supported again (barring a radical change of ideology at WotC) have strong followings here, and I realize I don't need support for 3.5. I've got literally two full bookshelves of 3.x materials and some 2e materials I still use for "fluff". I've got enough raw D&D materials to game for the rest of my life and not run dry. Having new books coming out is nice, but I bought only 5 D&D books in the last year, down from the dozen or more I used to buy.
So, it's an interesting marketing ploy by White Wolf (they do have some interesting marketing stunts, I remember the "The Devil Made Me Do It" sale at the end of the old WoD to clear out backstock, selling lots of books for $6.66, I made out like a bandit then), but honestly, I doubt it will really get a lot of people to abandon 3.5 for Exalted instead of 4e who weren't already seriously looking into playing Exalted.
However, I don't want it. I don't like destroying books, it's a personal ethical type thing for me. On top of that, I don't want to stop playing 3.5. A big reason I don't want 4e is that it appears to be going far from the 3.x and AD&D roots of the game with regards to flavor and play style. Trading in the game I already like for a game that goes even further away from those roots is not a good deal to me.
Now, if White Wolf was offering some sort of deep-discount program, like was suggested, of the Exalted 2e book for $5 or $10 I might even consider it, because I've heard a lot from people who have liked it and if it was cheap enough I might pick it up and try it and might even play it in addition to D&D, but not as a replacement.
As for the issue of playing a "supported" game, I don't see the appeal really. I knew people that played AD&D 1e for well over a decade past when it ceased production, I know that older editions of D&D that will never be supported again (barring a radical change of ideology at WotC) have strong followings here, and I realize I don't need support for 3.5. I've got literally two full bookshelves of 3.x materials and some 2e materials I still use for "fluff". I've got enough raw D&D materials to game for the rest of my life and not run dry. Having new books coming out is nice, but I bought only 5 D&D books in the last year, down from the dozen or more I used to buy.
So, it's an interesting marketing ploy by White Wolf (they do have some interesting marketing stunts, I remember the "The Devil Made Me Do It" sale at the end of the old WoD to clear out backstock, selling lots of books for $6.66, I made out like a bandit then), but honestly, I doubt it will really get a lot of people to abandon 3.5 for Exalted instead of 4e who weren't already seriously looking into playing Exalted.
I'm with Scott on this one - it's insulting to existing D&D players, implying that they're somehow inferior for playing their game; graduate to a 'real' game, effectively. That they're asking people to destroy perfectly good books is just plain stupid.
Mark me as a firm no; and WW just lost my business and that of my gaming group, to boot.
Mark me as a firm no; and WW just lost my business and that of my gaming group, to boot.
Imaro
Legend
Man I'm all for this, I mean for the past couple of months all I've heard is how much fun I haven't been having with 3.5 from the 4e designers. Well I don't know if I'm going with 4e and I allready have an Exalted 2e corebook...but could use an extra or two for my players. I'll keep one of my 3.5 PHB's but the other is getting traded in.
As far as the whole they should give the books away for free spiel...all I'll say is it's easy to criticize from afar. Now if you're practicing what you preach, well then I'm much more likely to listen. The book being destroyed isn't that big a deal for me, since essentially it is a trade and they can do whatever they want (just like anyone else I trade a book to) with that book since it's their book now.
As far as the whole they should give the books away for free spiel...all I'll say is it's easy to criticize from afar. Now if you're practicing what you preach, well then I'm much more likely to listen. The book being destroyed isn't that big a deal for me, since essentially it is a trade and they can do whatever they want (just like anyone else I trade a book to) with that book since it's their book now.
Relique du Madde
Adventurer
The Rouse, as a WoTC henchmen you fail to see the irony in the situation.
If I decided that I was NOT going to upgrade to 4.0 and I sent in my PHB and decided that Exhalted sucks and I liked DnD better it I would be forced to a) Buy a new 3.5 PHB (if I could find one) or b) Upgrade to 4.0.
That is a win win for you, especially if I was not going to upgrade before frying my PHB. Hell, as much as you and others would say it's disrespectful, remember, its my book, I could do what ever I want to it since WoTC hasn't placed a disclaimer within the book that binds me to a draconian Terms of Use contract.
Please note, I'm not against the destruction of private property so as long as the property in question is owned by the person who is destroying it or the owner gave permission for it to be destroyed. Case in point, I thought it was uncool for my mom to have a priest cleanse my CD collection and a handful of fantasy books since they were "evil." YET, 10 years later I have no qualms in destroying several books and CDs since I decided I that I had no use for them and that they were unworthy for resale. Was I being disrespectful? Maybe, but then I tink it is more disrespectful for a store to offer me 10% of the value of the product and then sell it for 35 - 75% of the original price.
If I decided that I was NOT going to upgrade to 4.0 and I sent in my PHB and decided that Exhalted sucks and I liked DnD better it I would be forced to a) Buy a new 3.5 PHB (if I could find one) or b) Upgrade to 4.0.
That is a win win for you, especially if I was not going to upgrade before frying my PHB. Hell, as much as you and others would say it's disrespectful, remember, its my book, I could do what ever I want to it since WoTC hasn't placed a disclaimer within the book that binds me to a draconian Terms of Use contract.
Please note, I'm not against the destruction of private property so as long as the property in question is owned by the person who is destroying it or the owner gave permission for it to be destroyed. Case in point, I thought it was uncool for my mom to have a priest cleanse my CD collection and a handful of fantasy books since they were "evil." YET, 10 years later I have no qualms in destroying several books and CDs since I decided I that I had no use for them and that they were unworthy for resale. Was I being disrespectful? Maybe, but then I tink it is more disrespectful for a store to offer me 10% of the value of the product and then sell it for 35 - 75% of the original price.
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There wasn't an option for 'hell no.'
I *love* Vampire the Masquerade, Mage the Ascencion, Wraith, Kindred of the East, Aberrant, Trinity and Adventure! as well as the Scarred Lands campaign setting, but Exalted was just plain awful. We suspended a great Aberrant game to play it, and it just sucked. A team of Exalted sat around whiffing rolls, doing negligible damage and otherwise just sucking. Worst WW game I've played since Hunter, and terribly disappointing.
Given my complete collections of Trinity, Aberrant, VtM, MtA, WtO, Scarred Lands, etc. books, I'm a huge fan of WW stuff, and I wouldn't give up my *1st edition* D&D stuff for Exalted product.
I *love* Vampire the Masquerade, Mage the Ascencion, Wraith, Kindred of the East, Aberrant, Trinity and Adventure! as well as the Scarred Lands campaign setting, but Exalted was just plain awful. We suspended a great Aberrant game to play it, and it just sucked. A team of Exalted sat around whiffing rolls, doing negligible damage and otherwise just sucking. Worst WW game I've played since Hunter, and terribly disappointing.
Given my complete collections of Trinity, Aberrant, VtM, MtA, WtO, Scarred Lands, etc. books, I'm a huge fan of WW stuff, and I wouldn't give up my *1st edition* D&D stuff for Exalted product.
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