Essafah
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Something isn't a faulty premise just because you say so. Just like your comment about a vacuum not proving your point you actually need to give evidence backing up how I made a faulty premise.
The PHB flat out states spells are ranked in power by spell level. 5e never took class or character level into consideration in that ranking. The faulty premise is yours.
Also, you need to prove characters cannot move on every turn to take healing spirit healing for healing spirit to not be efficient healing because it's available every round to every character as already stated. It's a clear mechanic of the spell.
"Nuh uh we don't use it" illustrates you either aren't the tactically minded players you claim. Healing word is pretty useless outside of some emergency healing because of how little it actually heals and cure wounds costs an action instead of a bonus action. Both affect a single target. If you have something to demonstrate the advantage they have over healing spirit please demonstrate it. The same for prayer of healing or aura of vitality.
I easily gave examples of how healing spring was advantageous. Why are all your arguments that I'm wrong because you claim theory over practice (in a vacuum argument) and appeal to authority (we're tactical players) and similar arguments but no actual demonstrations of the advantages these other spells have?
Valor bard is better. Swords cannot use flourishes and also cast spells. The bard is better off with the shield for a resource free AC bonus and spending bardic inspiration on others with better capability is more effective than spending inspiration on oneself for those flourishes. It's a different analysis that I'd be happy to discuss in a different thread when I get more time.
A little bit of power creep happens but I disagree on the bard. Healing spirit is more than power creep. It's very superior to other healing spells. I suspect WotC over-estimated the movement cost at the time.
No. It is not a faulty premise because I say so. Your premise is faulty by the fact that the rules of the game give different classes different spells even if they all gain spell levels at different times. For proof of this I would recommend page 207 of the PHB.
Also, I never said a character could not move on everytime to jump into a healing spirit. In fact, I have not discussed movement in terms of healing spirit anywhere but since characters can move I will agree they can move into a healing spirit. I don't feel I should have to state the obvious. My point is that healing spirit doing 1d6 healing damage in combat is not that great and as a DM I would much rather have that running (which one hit can take away) vs. having a druid concentrate on spells that actually make a difference like conjure animals, spike growth, conjure woodland beings, and the many other substantial concentration spells druids get but if you consider that 1d6 in combat healing to be the ultimate tactical option you are entitled to your opinion.
I think the out of combat application of HS is awesome and I think this is a good thing for the game and I have stated why in previous posts.
I fully agree with you on the valor bard being better. Again, in terms of subclasses overall I think the subclasses in the PHB remain stronger than what is in Xanathar's and for the most part when a subclass in XG was introduced that was stronger than something in the PHB I think it was because that class in the PHB was recognized as having an option that widely regarded as inferior i.e. rangers, the champion fighter, etc.