Yes, I'm still confused by Oriental Adventures

[Razuur]

Well I loved Nyambe.

And I was also disappointed with Oriental adventures, hoping it would be a toolkit approach to many possible Oriental campaigns. I also thought it to be very Rokugan heavy, which is fine, but I would have liked other options.

I would love a Mystic Chung Kuo (China) Capaign setting, or an Mythic India setting. I yearn to see them see the light of day.

And if I ever had the desire to play in Mythic Japan, well there is Rokugan - which is pretty much japanese based.

I hope other publishers hear the call.

Since Green Ronin is doing their Mythic Vistas books, I hope these concepts are picked up by them for this line of books, cuz then it would be done right.

Razuur

 

[Gold Rush Games]

Re: Sengoku not going D20

Apparently, Gold Rush Games is going to do their own OGL version of rules called Action!

Just FYI, the Action! System rules were released more than a year ago, and the latest version (1.1) was released under the OGL back in April.

I'm on their Yahoo Group and am now moderated and accused of advertising for my business because I mentioned how Traveller D20 and Fading Suns D20 were run out of stock and they were considered niché and not likely to be profitable.

If you'd bothered to inquire about it, you'd have known that all new members start out on moderated status. (We do this because of the inordinate number of spammers who join a list, post spam and then leave.) You weren't placed on moderated status as a result of any post. In fact, I was getting ready to take you off of moderated status.

I only mentioned it because they think there are only 500-800 books worth of sales if they did it.

Based on our experience in the distribution market over the last two years, the number of d20 SKUs being released into the market every month, feedback from retaielrs, etc, etc, etc.

Anyhow, it looks like it is a lost cause and we'll likely need to do our own Asia-Centric series to get what we want in that area.

A lost cause? Far from it. If you'd bothered to read the rest of my comments before unsubbing from the list you'd have learned more. As I said on the list, I'd like to do such a book. It's just that right now I don't see it as economically practical.

It costs thousands of dollars to develop a new product the scope of Sengoku, and to do so and sell only a few hundred copies would be devastating to our bottom line.

When the market is ready to support a good quality Sengoku d20 product we'll certainly be willing to release one. But until that time, I think it's best for us to be more conservative in our approach to relasing products.

 

[Gold Rush Games]

Here's a proposal for folks who'd really like to see a d20 version of Sengoku.

If anyone is willing to develop the d20 material necessary for such a book and is willing to do so for conditional pay, feel free to drop me a line off-list (at mark@goldrushgames.com) and we can discuss it.

Cheers.

 

[Nellisir]

I'd be interested, in theory, but not at this time. Maybe 6 months, once my wedding is past and my house is in a little better shape.

With the understanding that I know nothing of Sengoku beyond what I just skimmed in the FAQ, what are the hallmarks of the setting? More to the point...how easily could Sengoku be run using d20 mechanics from Rokugan? Both are samurai-oriented settings with a culture and society based on Japanese history. I don't see Sengoku as needing a completely new set of d20 mechanics for samurai adventuring when so much of the mechanical material for nearly that exact setting is already created (via OA and, primarily, Rokugan).

Curious
Nell.
Who wants a -nonpsionic- southeast asia junge temple tiger clan campaign setting with elephants.

Who could also get into creating a totally different, broader-based asian setting. PDF is the way to go!

 

[Gold Rush Games]

Maybe 6 months, once my wedding is past and my house is in a little better shape.

A wedding coming up, eh? Congrats. And try to relax and enjoy it and everything leading up to it. It can be pretty stressful (I know; been through two of them myself) but something to be thoroughly appreciated.

With the understanding that I know nothing of Sengoku beyond what I just skimmed in the FAQ, what are the hallmarks of the setting? More to the point...how easily could Sengoku be run using d20 mechanics from Rokugan?

How easily? Sengoku is set in 16th century feudal Japan. I'd say pretty easily.

Both are samurai-oriented settings with a culture and society based on Japanese history.

It's a slight stretch to say that Rokugan is based on Japanese history according to some. Loosely based,perhaps. Sengoku is heavily based on Japanese hisotry (and jidai-geki, or period films).

I don't see Sengoku as needing a completely new set of d20 mechanics for samurai adventuring when so much of the mechanical material for nearly that exact setting is already created (via OA and, primarily, Rokugan).

Not d20 mechanics for combat and such. But we would want to present material (feats, spells, skills, etc.) that represents more historically accurate genre and setting bits.

If you have any interest in samurai gaming, it's worth your while to check out Sengoku. Besides having conversion notes for almost a dozen existing game systems (including AD&D2, L5R, Bushido, Action! System, et al.) it is arguably the most historically accurate and richly detailed sourcebook onthe topic ever published.

Read the reviews for yourself at http://www.goldrushgames.com/sengoku.html#reviews .

It's available in full-sized softcover, 6x9 hardcover and also PDF formats, btw.

 

[Mirth]

Mark,

You've got email

Jay

 

[d20books]

Are you slandering me?

Under no circumstances have I ever spammed. The fact that I have my URL in my sig is spamming?

Everyone should sign up to the Yahoo Group for Sengoku and look at the messages.

I'm very upset by this and expressly demand an apology. If I'm spamming, you can go directly to Yahoo! and request my account yanked, which they will happily if they do deem me spamming (as I've had many a spammer yanked on many of the groups that I moderate there).

The only reason I left the forums was because it seemed that you had blocked any futher posting from me and that I wasn't going to waste my time beating a dead horse. If my ideas were not allowed to be expressed and my desire to bring Sengoku D20 about was going to be blocked by Gold Rush Games, there is no point in sticking around subbed to a group that would only fill my inbox with unnecessary messages. I have well over fifty groups I'm subbed to and do not have time to go through all my messages as it is.

I expect an apology on your own list, which you are still continuing to accuse me of spammage. If others join the Yahoo Groups Sengoku list, you can clearly see that I'm innocent of any such vile doing.

 

[d20books]

Here's a proposal for folks who'd really like to see a d20 version of Sengoku.

If anyone is willing to develop the d20 material necessary for such a book and is willing to do so for conditional pay, feel free to drop me a line off-list (at mark@goldrushgames.com) and we can discuss it.

Cheers.

If you looked at my posting, I was willing to help out 100% to get great material out in the market and to help get books that I really think need to be done.

Unfortunately, I'm REALLY sour on you, personally, Mark. I still would love to push Sengoku D20, but unprofessional behavior on your Sengoku list and accusations of spamming from my business that will hurt such a small business as me has really put me off Gold Rush Games.

 

[Gold Rush Games]

Re: Are you slandering me?

Under no circumstances have I ever spammed. The fact that I have my URL in my sig is spamming?

I don't know what you're on about, nor why you are cross-posting in this forum and on the Sengoku list.

Everyone should sign up to the Yahoo Group for Sengoku...

That would be great! I welcome anyone who'd like to join up and participate in discussions there.

I'm very upset by this and expressly demand an apology.

I don't understand what you think I need to apologize for. Sorry.

The only reason I left the forums was because it seemed that you had blocked any futher posting from me...

Well, you now know otherwise. Persisting in claiming some sort of discrimination is rather pointless. As I said, all new members automatically start in moderated status.

The Sengoku list is not a public square for the exercise of free speech. It is a private list administrated by yours truly for the discussion of Sengoku, and the list has rules that everyone agrees to follow when they join up.

I expect an apology on your own list, which you are still continuing to accuse me of spammage. If others join the Yahoo Groups Sengoku list, you can clearly see that I'm innocent of any such vile doing.

Come on. I never accused you of "spamming." I asked you to keep your posts on-topic because I was concerned that your messages were veering farther and farther from being "on-topic."

As a brand new member with "d20books" as your screen name and e-mail address, and with your store URL in your sig, I was already wary. Sengoku is not a d20 game. "Maybe he's a fan of the game," I thought. So I watched your posts.

Very quickly you started talking about sales of other d20 products. That's when I asked you to stay on-topic. I didn't censor you or place you on moderated status for it. I asked you to stay on topic.

Specifically, I wrote, "Let's try to bring the discussion back on topic. I don't want to see this thread evolve into essentially advertising for, oh, say, someone's d20 book selling web site, hm'kay? "

Regarding my supposed accusation of you "spamming," after your departure I posted, "As I suspected. It seems he was here more to promote his own commercial web site than to discuss Sengoku. ::sigh::" To me it did indeed seem that way.

And for the record, it was someone else who used the term "spammer," not I.

Your frustration may be founded but posts to the Sengoku list need to stay on-topic. Otherwise it ceases to be enjoyable for the membership as a whole, who are there to discuss Sengoku. As the list administrator it's my job to keep the peace and maintain the utility of the list for the members. I'm afraid I won't apologize for that.

If you want to discuss the situation civilly then I would suggest we take this to private mail. I see no point in continuing a public discussion as it serves no purpose, IMO.

Have a good one.

 

[Nellisir]

Hmm; good linked reviews. I'll look out for it when I get to another game store -- my FLGS has a very bare stock of RPG material, mostly whatever I order +1. I've got three others I go to quasi-regularly.

d20books (or anyone else, I'm not picky), what specific features would you like to see in your ideal Asian Adventures book? Were there features of OA that you liked? What specifically did you like about Nyambe, and how would you like to see it in an Asian book? What would you like to see left out that was included in either OA or Nyambe? (and don't say Rokugan, 'cause when anyone says Rokugan, all I hear is "campaign-specific material" or "campaign-setting material")

Cheers
Nell.

Kaliiiiiiiii....