Your Thoughts on the Matrix Revolutions?

[ASH]

I think that some people really do expect too much from a movie. Its a movie. Did it entertain you..yes or no...
If not than thats great but it did me, and a lot of other people too!

But to each their own.

 

[KenM]

I cant wait for Return of the King!!!!!

Me either, Return of the King will blow Matrix Revolutions away, IMO. But Like you said, I might be expecting alot from it.

 

[Chain Lightning]

When I go see movies, I don't expect too much....and I don't expect too little either. I go in neutral. I have so many friends that fall into the trap of expecting too much, or expecting the wrong thing, or being too easy on a film, or whatever.

I go in neutral. I go in relaxed and in a good mood. I love watching movies. Even bad ones I don't mind too much. I just love theatres. I love it when the lights go down and the previews start coming up. At that point I'm already in a good mood. The slate is blank. What happens after that is entirely up to the makers of the film. As I watch, points start either going up or down. Or both....

Now, all I can do is sit here and type this. There's no way for you to really believe what I'm saying is true. Most likely, some will just think "yah whatever, you expected too much". But there's only so many times that I can retort with "no I didn't" before it becomes a waste of time. So all I ask is some trust on your part.

I didn't expet too much.

My score still stands. " Matrix:Revolutions " : 5 out of 10


Tsyr wrote:

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The proof is in the Architect and the rest of the machines. He/they is/are honoring the deal that Neo made with the machines -- that is, if he got rid of Smith, the machines would stop, and peace would exist.

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That still doesnt' tell me what happened EXACTLY. That tells us that Neo kept his part of the bargain and that the machines kept theirs. That's all. As far as the conclusion to the Neo/Smith fight....all we know is: Neo let himself be assimulated, Neo's body started to strain chest upward in the real world, energy came out of his eyes, mouth, and nostrils in the real world, his whole body was radiating tons of light in the orange/yellow 'machine vision' p.o.v., the assimulated neo blew up, then the other Smiths blew up. That's all we know.

We really don't know if Neo caused the explosion or if the machines did it through Neo. I admit we have a vague idea....an assumption as to what happened. And to some that's good enough. But I consider it a little sloppy writing/directing.

Ankh-Morpork Guard wrote:

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Another way to look at Neo-Smith is that Neo is an Anti-Virus to CLEAN OUT Smith's Virus. So Neo let the virus take him over, then his code was used to destroy it and reboot the Matrix.

We can look at the resolution of that fight in a hundred ways. It still does'nt refute the fact that the resolution doesn't show the audience clearly what happened. I can speculate all day long. Maybe to some, that's a cool thing. The charm of the movie. While I do find certain deeper more subtle parts to be fine left up to speculation and mystery, this fight shouldn't be.

P.S. the trailer for "Troy" was awesome!

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

We can look at the resolution of that fight in a hundred ways. It still does'nt refute the fact that the resolution doesn't show the audience clearly what happened. I can speculate all day long. Maybe to some, that's a cool thing. The charm of the movie. While I do find certain deeper more subtle parts to be fine left up to speculation and mystery, this fight shouldn't be.

P.S. the trailer for "Troy" was awesome!

Well, from the way I see it...it wasn't JUST a fight. It was THE fight. But I do understand your view on it. I like that its left for the viewer to work things out themselves, it just fits how the Wachowski brothers seem to do things and it seems to help the "No one can be told what the Matrix is..." quote from the first movie.

...and yes....Troy looks so great!!!

 

[ASH]

Hey, I dont want to judge anyone specifically.
I just understand that some times I have higher expectations than I should, and that can ruin a movie.

For instance I did not expect The Two Towers to differ from the book and when it did I was a little annoyed and that kind of ruined the movie going experience. But seeing it again, I reailized that the movie is awesome...regarudless if its close to the book or not.

I just see alot of people picking the movie apart for, what seems to ME to be really small picky reasons. I have done that before too, I mean I hated Gladiator for alot of reasons that other people just thought were stupid reasons to hate a movie. I am not calling anyones's reasons stupid, just difficult for me to agree with.

I am also not saying it was the greatest movie in the world. If I were to rate it I would probably give it a 6.5 out of 10. Entertaining, a bit above average.


Also I am basing my expectations of Return of the King on the two first movies. They are, in my opinion, the best two movies I have ever seen. I have no doubt that the expectations I have will be let down. It also helps that I will read the third book after seeing the third movie so that if their are changes I will not be dissapointed.

 

[Trainz]

Just came back from seeing it:

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I think the mecha battle was awesome. Absolutely awesome. I would love to see other movies like that.

As for the rest... it was average. Even under par some times. Trinity's death scene was VERY bad.

The movie was just what I expected, a great roller-coaster ride. The W. brothers should have realised that and eased up on the talk scenes. They are not good with talk scenes. They should diminish them, or take pointers from Tarantino.

Now THAT is one great director.

The preview of Troy gave me shivers, and that movie preview from the guy that did ID4 (some ice-age New-York thingy) really intrigued me.

 

[s/LaSH]

Wow. I've seen an overwhelming amount of negativity surrounding this movie. It sounds like quite a few were disappointed. ... That tells me that it really does suck.

No it doesn't. Well, not for me, and not for the people who've rated it, who seem to rate it somewhere between 5 and 9 stars. Say 75% and you've still got an enjoyable film, right?

Anyway, I think most problems have been caused by people accustomed to Hollywood garbage, where everything MUST have a happy ending, where everything MUST be spelt out for the guy in the back whose largest leap of imagination was back before he could talk when he tried to eat playdoh (about 9 or so), where everything MUST be wrapped up neatly and allow people to forget the film so they can see the next one from the studio (and when they're making a film every week or two, that's a lot). If you're not a brainwashed zombie, you'll be more satisfied with the film.

No offense to brainwashed zombies, of course. You're a vital cog in the corporate machine that makes movies possible.

Anyway, I really did enjoy it, and if you're ready for it, I suspect you will too.

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And to state something fairly obvious: Neo has psychic powers, and the machines are powered by the human soul. I mean, he can see the future (like when he was in the Trainman's realm), he can see without sight (but he can't see things without souls, like giant iron girders), he can project his soul out of his body (albeit not reliably). The Source is a machine soul thing. Fairly simple, really. The Oracle is a machine, true, but she's a machine with soul. Which opens the possibility of her having psychic ability too.

As for the little girl: I got the impression that her parents were not Matrix inhabitants, they were inhabitants of the Machine City. Someplace you never see from virtual. Machines need power and creativity too, you know. Anyway, she's a program without purpose, so they're taking her into the Matrix, where things are considerably less policed. I imagine she'd look a lot different in the Machine City. The Trainman ran a conduit between machine virtuality and human virtuality, a hyperlink that's not an exclusive hyperlink. (Frex, the Source isn't part of the Matrix, but they're still linked.)

 

[Trainz]

I think most people who disliked the movie expected evocative if not humane dialogue, suspenceful pacing appropriate to an action film, non-mastubatory special effects that served the need of the aformentioned action script, and a coherent tone which didn't languish in the hypocricy of film-makers who bask in a deconstructionist philosophy while pumping there films with orchastral noise and assorted other demonstration of their own pomposity.

But that could just be me...

Oh no, I am 100% with you on this one. My thoughts exactly.

I think that some (otherwise great) film-makers are overwhelmed by the new techniques and technology that are available nowadays. Lucas and the W. brothers come to mind. They are so obssessed by the tools at hand that they forget what makes a great film GREAT, that is, screenplay.

A movie is a huge jigsaw puzzle with square pieces. It takes skill and genius to be able to put this pieces together, no matter how pretty and shiny those individual pieces are.

Maybe in 5 or so years the novelty of the new techniques will fade away and producers will get back to making movies.

/not holding my breath.

 

[s/LaSH]

...people who've rated it ... seem to rate it somewhere between 5 and 9 stars.

Actually, after consulting the Rate Revolutions thread, it seems the AVERAGE is 64%, but the distribution is all wonky - it seems you either think the movie sucked (a minority), or (like most people) that it was very good. Not awesome, according to the figures, but very good.

Just like to set that straight.

 

[Technik4]

Anyway, I think most problems have been caused by people accustomed to Hollywood garbage, where everything MUST have a happy ending, where everything MUST be spelt out for the guy in the back whose largest leap of imagination was back before he could talk when he tried to eat playdoh (about 9 or so), where everything MUST be wrapped up neatly and allow people to forget the film so they can see the next one from the studio (and when they're making a film every week or two, that's a lot). If you're not a brainwashed zombie, you'll be more satisfied with the film.

You enjoyed the movie. Fair enough. I didn't. The reason isn't because I'm a brainwashed zombie, and is ironically for the very reason you say I didn't like it. Too much hollywood cheese and predictability. I *knew* as soon as we started seeing them get so much as a little movie time (and imo they got a lot) that some of the bit characters would end up being 'heroes' and doing great things. Only in hollywood would things like that happen, and they irritated me. I *enjoyed* some of the obscurity between where Neo got his powers, how they worked, and the ending. I *didn't* like most of the mundane (non-matrix) fights, most of the dialogue/scenes with non-critical story characters, and more generally the 'vast' focus that it took (3 different big scenes at once, through the whole movie).

It would be like a d&d game where you played for 30 min, then the dm told you what happened back in town for 30 min, then told you what another group he dms is up to for 30 min. Reduce those extras to 5 or 10 minutes and I'm cool with it, but taking as much time and having so much heroics killed a lot of those scenes to me. I was cringing in the theater as my friend asked "When are we going to see Neo again?". The title would be more apt were it "Zion: Revolutions".

Technik