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Your Thoughts on the Matrix Revolutions?
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Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad
I liked the movie, however I was unsatisfied with the ending, and some of the plot holes.
1. Humans did not achieve their goal. Morpheus makes it clear in the first two movies that the goal is to eventually release all humans from bondage by the machines. In no way is this goal achieved. In fact, the goal of peace is the same as saying the machines win. Zion always could have had peace. The architect said he let Zion exist as a release for those small percentage of humans that didn't want to stay. So what exactly has changed? I mean, sure, agents won't attack people from Zion anymore in the matrix when they try to free people, but the basic problem - that people are enslaved by machines, is still the exact same problem. It's just now marginally easier to extract people from the Matrix - but not greatly so.
2. The sun is there, and there is a sky, in the real world, at an altitude fully reachable by simple platforms and solar panels. You do NOT need humans to generate energy. A *Hover Car* was able to reach the height of open sky! The machines can build the monstrosities of technology we saw, but not a friggen building that reaches 30 stories? Come on!
1. Humans did not achieve their goal. Morpheus makes it clear in the first two movies that the goal is to eventually release all humans from bondage by the machines. In no way is this goal achieved. In fact, the goal of peace is the same as saying the machines win. Zion always could have had peace. The architect said he let Zion exist as a release for those small percentage of humans that didn't want to stay. So what exactly has changed? I mean, sure, agents won't attack people from Zion anymore in the matrix when they try to free people, but the basic problem - that people are enslaved by machines, is still the exact same problem. It's just now marginally easier to extract people from the Matrix - but not greatly so.
2. The sun is there, and there is a sky, in the real world, at an altitude fully reachable by simple platforms and solar panels. You do NOT need humans to generate energy. A *Hover Car* was able to reach the height of open sky! The machines can build the monstrosities of technology we saw, but not a friggen building that reaches 30 stories? Come on!
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Saw the movie Wednesday afternoon. Enjoyed it, but some people here make good points, which is why I came here, hoping to fill in some blanks and help form my thoughts on the trilogy.
Of course the background info we get from watching The Animatrix should have told me not to put too much thought into what might happen. Once they said, "the machines were immune to nuclear bombs" I threw my hands up in the air and tried to enjoy the pretty colors.
As for the dome scene, damn, you don't want to be an ammo reloaded for the infantry.
And for those who don't like Dragon Ball Z, I suggest thinking of the final battle as the last battle in the movie Dark City. That was my first thought.
Of course the background info we get from watching The Animatrix should have told me not to put too much thought into what might happen. Once they said, "the machines were immune to nuclear bombs" I threw my hands up in the air and tried to enjoy the pretty colors.
As for the dome scene, damn, you don't want to be an ammo reloaded for the infantry.
And for those who don't like Dragon Ball Z, I suggest thinking of the final battle as the last battle in the movie Dark City. That was my first thought.
Chain Lightning
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I actually like the Dragon Ball Z style end fight with Smith. And yes, it is VERY much in the style of Dragon Ball Z. I'd be very disappointed if there wasn't one. If Neo stood fought with only speed and slightly above human strength....that would've been boring. There needs to be an escalation to fights that go up along with his abilities.
For those of you who liked the movie and are attempting to 'fill in the blanks' for us that were disappointed, here's a question I never got answered by the 3 movies: What's with Neo's ability to dream/see into the future?In 'Reloaded', the Oracle says, "You have the sight now Neo". The story arc on that ability goes absolutely no where. He doesn't dream or foresee anymore after "Reloaded". It was just there to make him have artsy bad dreams of doom basically.
Other stuff: the unclear resolution to Smith. One of you mentioned that Neo allowed himself to be assimulated so he can then self-distruct and kill ALL Smiths. Yes, I can see how the seen can be interpreted like that, but how can we be for sure? Where's the evidence in the film of that move? My first impression was that the 'big face machine leader-guy' injected a cleansing program/energy stream into the Smiths via Neo once he was assimulated. Or the 'big face machine leader-guy' hit self-destruct on Neo's body/the source with same result in mind. Its truly sloppy and unclear. The only way it can be clear, is if you're really convinced your own interpretation is THE ONE. But there's no proof that tells the audience 100% for sure what happened. I think there needs to be.
Another thing. The last few seens where horrible imho. The little girl talking with the Oracle and that sunrise.........that's our big trilogy conclusion?
For those of you who liked the movie and are attempting to 'fill in the blanks' for us that were disappointed, here's a question I never got answered by the 3 movies: What's with Neo's ability to dream/see into the future?In 'Reloaded', the Oracle says, "You have the sight now Neo". The story arc on that ability goes absolutely no where. He doesn't dream or foresee anymore after "Reloaded". It was just there to make him have artsy bad dreams of doom basically.
Other stuff: the unclear resolution to Smith. One of you mentioned that Neo allowed himself to be assimulated so he can then self-distruct and kill ALL Smiths. Yes, I can see how the seen can be interpreted like that, but how can we be for sure? Where's the evidence in the film of that move? My first impression was that the 'big face machine leader-guy' injected a cleansing program/energy stream into the Smiths via Neo once he was assimulated. Or the 'big face machine leader-guy' hit self-destruct on Neo's body/the source with same result in mind. Its truly sloppy and unclear. The only way it can be clear, is if you're really convinced your own interpretation is THE ONE. But there's no proof that tells the audience 100% for sure what happened. I think there needs to be.
Another thing. The last few seens where horrible imho. The little girl talking with the Oracle and that sunrise.........that's our big trilogy conclusion?
Dagger75
Epic Commoner
If I made the ending
My ending if I wrote the movie
My ending if I wrote the movie
I would have had people waking up to the world out of there bubbles seeing what the world was really like now. A few would chose to leave the Matrix and live in the Zion, the rest angry and mad being showed what it is really like. They would want to be put back into the Matrix and live a fake life rather than a real one.
The whole war would have been fought for nothing as most of the people choosing to remain in the Matrix. There would have been peace, the source woudn't have to attack Zion, knowing full well it has already won.
Thats just me.
The whole war would have been fought for nothing as most of the people choosing to remain in the Matrix. There would have been peace, the source woudn't have to attack Zion, knowing full well it has already won.
Thats just me.
Ankh-Morpork Guard
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Another way to look at Neo-Smith is that Neo is an Anti-Virus to CLEAN OUT Smith's Virus. So Neo let the virus take him over, then his code was used to destroy it and reboot the Matrix.
The biggest problem I'm seeing is that people expected WAAAY too much from this movie. It ended fine...it tied everything together, it just stayed to a 'simple' plot. I don't see it as being too much to bring together at all...because really, Neo WAS a Messiah figure. He was essentially pyschic. They don't blatantly tell you all of this, and of COURSE they don't tell you what the Matrix is. Why? Easy.
"No one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself."
The Matrix, was choice. The machine's CHOICE.
The biggest problem I'm seeing is that people expected WAAAY too much from this movie. It ended fine...it tied everything together, it just stayed to a 'simple' plot. I don't see it as being too much to bring together at all...because really, Neo WAS a Messiah figure. He was essentially pyschic. They don't blatantly tell you all of this, and of COURSE they don't tell you what the Matrix is. Why? Easy.
"No one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself."
The Matrix, was choice. The machine's CHOICE.
Berandor
lunatic
Let me be the first to say it:
I hate the spoiler tags!
I mean, they are a very good idea, if you post in a general topic and want to leave a sentence or so hidden, because obviously not everyone reading the thread will want to know.
But after highlighting 67 posts, all full of spoiler tags, my head swims, and I don't even know who said what or what was said, simply because I my eyes began bleeding halfway through.
I'd say in a discussion such as this one, put *spoiler* at the start of the thread, or at your post's beginning, and go from there.
Especially when most "spoilers" here deal with no spoilerific details.
"The Merowingian's character is not fully explored."
"The battle of Zion is cool."
"Smith and Neo fight like Dragonball Z."
No real spoilers, because they don't deal with details, or important details. Nobody's gonna say "Hey, you just told me Smith will fly at the end - the movie's ruined!"
Also, it's not a real spoiler to say "Zion is saved at the end.", as long as you don't go into detail how.
Also, theories and interpretations, like the messianistic undercurrent or the relation between Smith and Neo, aren't spoilers as long as no detail from the movie is given away - they don't need spoiler tags.
On the other hand,
... these deserve spoiler tags.
Please, please, use them discreetly - for the sake of my eyes and the last shred of sanity I retain.
On topic:
I liked the film. I liked they explained little, and left the end kind of hanging. The effects were superb. The film lacked a little of the emotional punch of a true classic, but it was a very fun film, and as far as fun action movies go, it was at the top of its game.
8/10 to me; and I disliked Reloaded a lot.
The Wachowskis still lack the ability to do really great last-minute-rescues. You have to let the viewers in on them, so they don't feel surprised when suddenly the rescue happens. Ex.:
. On the other hand, the fight for Zion was so involving exactly because the audience knew
.
I really would have seen Seraph
, as hinted at by the Merowingian.
All in all, a fulfilling finish to the series to me.
Berandor
I hate the spoiler tags!
I mean, they are a very good idea, if you post in a general topic and want to leave a sentence or so hidden, because obviously not everyone reading the thread will want to know.
But after highlighting 67 posts, all full of spoiler tags, my head swims, and I don't even know who said what or what was said, simply because I my eyes began bleeding halfway through.
I'd say in a discussion such as this one, put *spoiler* at the start of the thread, or at your post's beginning, and go from there.
Especially when most "spoilers" here deal with no spoilerific details.
"The Merowingian's character is not fully explored."
"The battle of Zion is cool."
"Smith and Neo fight like Dragonball Z."
No real spoilers, because they don't deal with details, or important details. Nobody's gonna say "Hey, you just told me Smith will fly at the end - the movie's ruined!"
Also, it's not a real spoiler to say "Zion is saved at the end.", as long as you don't go into detail how.
Also, theories and interpretations, like the messianistic undercurrent or the relation between Smith and Neo, aren't spoilers as long as no detail from the movie is given away - they don't need spoiler tags.
On the other hand,
Trinity dying, Neo being absorbed by Smith, Neo being blinded, Smith absorbing the oracle
Please, please, use them discreetly - for the sake of my eyes and the last shred of sanity I retain.
On topic:
I liked the film. I liked they explained little, and left the end kind of hanging. The effects were superb. The film lacked a little of the emotional punch of a true classic, but it was a very fun film, and as far as fun action movies go, it was at the top of its game.
8/10 to me; and I disliked Reloaded a lot.
The Wachowskis still lack the ability to do really great last-minute-rescues. You have to let the viewers in on them, so they don't feel surprised when suddenly the rescue happens. Ex.:
Trinity cutting the lights when Neo faces Bane; the kid being saved by a particle blast; Neo realizing he must let himself be absorbed
the "Hammer" was coming to help them
I really would have seen Seraph
with wings
All in all, a fulfilling finish to the series to me.
Berandor
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Quasqueton
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And what was the deal with the little girl?
And I went into this movie fully expecting to love it, because I loved the first two. But the tapestry they were weaving seems terribly frayed with loose strings here at the end. I liked this movie as a spectacle (to take someone else's words), but not as a final part of the trilogy.
Quasqueton
Her program parents (apparently from the matrix) were putting her on a train to go. . . where? She ended up in the matrix, where the parents say they live. Why did they need to ride "the train" to get the girl to the Oracle? The parents were programs with "mundane" jobs? Why would they need programs that did the jobs of humans? And then at the end, the little girl created a rainbow effect at sunrise? Huh?
The first two movies, when I think more about them make go, "cool". This movie, though, when I think more about it makes me go, "huh?"
Although I do like Smith's reaction after assimilating the Oracle. And he essentially "explained" that reaction when he told Neo that he knew he would win the fight. This is the only plot piece that got wrapped up for me. All the other little things just went over my head, I guess.
The first two movies, when I think more about them make go, "cool". This movie, though, when I think more about it makes me go, "huh?"
Although I do like Smith's reaction after assimilating the Oracle. And he essentially "explained" that reaction when he told Neo that he knew he would win the fight. This is the only plot piece that got wrapped up for me. All the other little things just went over my head, I guess.
And I went into this movie fully expecting to love it, because I loved the first two. But the tapestry they were weaving seems terribly frayed with loose strings here at the end. I liked this movie as a spectacle (to take someone else's words), but not as a final part of the trilogy.
Quasqueton
Mustrum_Ridcully
Legend
I watched a Matrix Triple Feature (all three movies in a row...) last night.
I think the movie was great.
The special effects were... well, spectularly, great, superb. The ending was worthy.
Yes, there may be still some questions, but remember: there are always questions that are left unanswered.
(After the princess marries the prince, they live happily everafter? Really? Do they get kids, and what will they do? Didn`t the evil stepmother sisters and brothers that might want to avenge her?)
I somehow think it might... well, belittle my movie experience if I try to wrap up some things, especially since I know that not everybody will agree with me, so I just won`t do it.
Well, finally, everybody has to decide for himself if he liked the movie. I decide for myself: I liked it. I hesitate to give any film a 10 out of 10, so let´s make it 9/10.
I think the movie was great.
The special effects were... well, spectularly, great, superb. The ending was worthy.
Yes, there may be still some questions, but remember: there are always questions that are left unanswered.
(After the princess marries the prince, they live happily everafter? Really? Do they get kids, and what will they do? Didn`t the evil stepmother sisters and brothers that might want to avenge her?)
I somehow think it might... well, belittle my movie experience if I try to wrap up some things, especially since I know that not everybody will agree with me, so I just won`t do it.
Well, finally, everybody has to decide for himself if he liked the movie. I decide for myself: I liked it. I hesitate to give any film a 10 out of 10, so let´s make it 9/10.
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