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Your Thoughts on the Matrix Revolutions?
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Kesh
First Post
Couple quick points...
For those who think we 'lost':
Regarding the girl and her parents:
And the ending was appropriate. Sure, they could've shown the aftermath, shown the rebuilding, but it would've just been what we already know: after a war, people have to start picking up the pieces and letting go of old grudges.
For those who think we 'lost':
Consider that Morpheus' goal was essentially total freedom for humans, which = destruction of the machines. In this case, humans and machines reached a compromise, and can work together to rebuild the planet. Humans alone would be pretty screwed.
Regarding the girl and her parents:
Her code was being transferred to the Source (aka Machine Mainframe). As was said in the second movie, when a rogue program wants to avoid deletion, they can either attempt to hide out in the Matrix or return to the Source. Sounds like her parents went with the safer choice, let the Merovingian smuggle her code into the Source, and then (so she wouldn't be alone) she was allowed to access the Matrix under the care of the Oracle.
Her parents didn't exactly have human jobs... it sounded like the father was a program in charge of the city's power systems, while the wife was some kind of data processing program.
Her parents didn't exactly have human jobs... it sounded like the father was a program in charge of the city's power systems, while the wife was some kind of data processing program.
And the ending was appropriate. Sure, they could've shown the aftermath, shown the rebuilding, but it would've just been what we already know: after a war, people have to start picking up the pieces and letting go of old grudges.
Dissapointment
My thoughts and broad strokes, potentially contains spoilers if you consider any knowledge of the movie a spoiler.
Disappointment rushed through me as I sat and watched. The movie is just over 2 hours but easily less than half is focused on Frodo, I mean Neo, on his path to destiny. We focus very long on some irritating heroes like Zee who with her bald female friend (name even mentioned?) ends up scoring some big points for the resistance. Then there is the kid, who predictably also saves the day. Someone mentioned people talking after death too much, I totally agree. Jason, commander of the resistance is still irritated, all-the-time, and the council's purpose is only to ask some redundant questions now and then. And of course there is time for long, drawn-out conversations with Indian programs, which is a little amusing and informative, but otherwise feels out of place. 'The last exile' isn't even mentioned in the other movies (although it is in the game) and for the role to be so pivotal (apparantly) seems off.
And the machines, the bad guys, just dont seem too bad-ass anymore. In the first movie Sentinels had lasers, in the second there were Sentinel-bombs (waiting outside of EMP range then flinging themselves at hoverships). In this movie Sentinels have "battery" power and other than that are only good because of their sheer numbers. Remember in Matrix when the Nebuchanezzar (sp?) is fleeing from like 6 sentinels? Seems to me that they could have taken em out with some guns. There is a new character though, with the apt name Train-Man (least inspired name *ever*) who is 1) Crazy and 2) has bad teeth and hair and dresses like a bum. Great. We also find out that the Merovingian is almost as powerful as he is made out to be, what with the bondage club, controlling critical characters like Keymaker and Trainman and all. Not. We question how the heck he even got control of such characters because he is so inept in his home (typically where you are strongest, right Train-man?).
And as for the heroes, the stars? Well the true stars get almost equal billing with the lowly resistance fighters (see paragraph 1) with Neo getting more than anyone (but still less than either previous movie). Trinity kicked a little ass, Morpheus kicked almost none - even Seraph had more action. Sad. Neo's journey I don't have too much trouble with and despite the outcome of his fight with Smith being really obvious, I enjoyed it. However, Neo was pretty oblivious to some things I think wouldve been obvious (Bane IS Smith). Disbelief is an ok vindication for his oversight, but really he IS the one, he HAS the sight, and he is pretty much breaking a bunch of rules too, is it such a stretch to think that someone else can too?
Overall I felt it was the weakest of the trilogy and am debating whether or not to wait for some sort of 'trilogy pack' (as I had planned) or just buy the first and be done. I am a huge matrix fan, despite not owning it, and have played the video game, watched the anime, and been in numerous discussions about the overall plot and defending Matrix: Reloaded. I wasn't a 'hater', but my underwhelment was noticeable on my face. I think it still makes for a good sci-fi action movie (always a rarity) but hardly does the previous 2 justice.
Technik
My thoughts and broad strokes, potentially contains spoilers if you consider any knowledge of the movie a spoiler.
Disappointment rushed through me as I sat and watched. The movie is just over 2 hours but easily less than half is focused on Frodo, I mean Neo, on his path to destiny. We focus very long on some irritating heroes like Zee who with her bald female friend (name even mentioned?) ends up scoring some big points for the resistance. Then there is the kid, who predictably also saves the day. Someone mentioned people talking after death too much, I totally agree. Jason, commander of the resistance is still irritated, all-the-time, and the council's purpose is only to ask some redundant questions now and then. And of course there is time for long, drawn-out conversations with Indian programs, which is a little amusing and informative, but otherwise feels out of place. 'The last exile' isn't even mentioned in the other movies (although it is in the game) and for the role to be so pivotal (apparantly) seems off.
And the machines, the bad guys, just dont seem too bad-ass anymore. In the first movie Sentinels had lasers, in the second there were Sentinel-bombs (waiting outside of EMP range then flinging themselves at hoverships). In this movie Sentinels have "battery" power and other than that are only good because of their sheer numbers. Remember in Matrix when the Nebuchanezzar (sp?) is fleeing from like 6 sentinels? Seems to me that they could have taken em out with some guns. There is a new character though, with the apt name Train-Man (least inspired name *ever*) who is 1) Crazy and 2) has bad teeth and hair and dresses like a bum. Great. We also find out that the Merovingian is almost as powerful as he is made out to be, what with the bondage club, controlling critical characters like Keymaker and Trainman and all. Not. We question how the heck he even got control of such characters because he is so inept in his home (typically where you are strongest, right Train-man?).
And as for the heroes, the stars? Well the true stars get almost equal billing with the lowly resistance fighters (see paragraph 1) with Neo getting more than anyone (but still less than either previous movie). Trinity kicked a little ass, Morpheus kicked almost none - even Seraph had more action. Sad. Neo's journey I don't have too much trouble with and despite the outcome of his fight with Smith being really obvious, I enjoyed it. However, Neo was pretty oblivious to some things I think wouldve been obvious (Bane IS Smith). Disbelief is an ok vindication for his oversight, but really he IS the one, he HAS the sight, and he is pretty much breaking a bunch of rules too, is it such a stretch to think that someone else can too?
Overall I felt it was the weakest of the trilogy and am debating whether or not to wait for some sort of 'trilogy pack' (as I had planned) or just buy the first and be done. I am a huge matrix fan, despite not owning it, and have played the video game, watched the anime, and been in numerous discussions about the overall plot and defending Matrix: Reloaded. I wasn't a 'hater', but my underwhelment was noticeable on my face. I think it still makes for a good sci-fi action movie (always a rarity) but hardly does the previous 2 justice.
Technik
Wow. I've seen an overwhelming amount of negativity surrounding this movie. It sounds like quite a few were disappointed. I'm glad at least Mustrum_Ridcully had something good to say about it.
Admittedly, I was only lukewarm on the first movie. I thought it was an interesting concept, but am not a huge sci-fi fan, so I wasn't terribly enthusiastic about it. I was pretty bored throughout the second movie, but had held out some hope that this one would make the second one worth it. But now I'm seeing that both the people who liked the second one and the people who disliked the second one seem to dislike this one. For someone like me, that's a bad sign. I mean, if only the people who liked the second movie hated this one, I could justify it to myself by saying, "Well, I disagreed with them on the last one, so maybe I will on this one too." Or if only the people who disliked the second one hated this one, I could rationalize it by saying, "They went into it with a negative attitude, so they hated it because they expected to." But no... everybody hates it. That tells me that it really does suck.
Now I have no desire to see it. I mean, why should I spend $7 on a movie that the casual fans and even the super-fans think sucks? In a way, I'm disappointed, as I was hoping to catch a movie this weekend, but now there's nothing playing that I want to see. On the other hand, I'm kind of happy. Everyone else saved me from wasting a couple hours of my time on something that sucks. They also opened up a whole realm of possible things that I can spend my $7 on. Think about it. Now I can buy myself a whole plate of Mexican food AND a Pepsi. Or, if I'm not hungry, I can get a nice PDF product from RPGNow, or possibly a used or budget-priced module from my FLGS. I could even fill up the gas tank on my Jetta almost half-way. I could get a six-pack of beer, as long as I don't get LaBatt Blue, since for some reason it's overpriced at the one store that carries it here in Richmond, and after tax ends up being about $7.35 for a sixer.
Admittedly, I was only lukewarm on the first movie. I thought it was an interesting concept, but am not a huge sci-fi fan, so I wasn't terribly enthusiastic about it. I was pretty bored throughout the second movie, but had held out some hope that this one would make the second one worth it. But now I'm seeing that both the people who liked the second one and the people who disliked the second one seem to dislike this one. For someone like me, that's a bad sign. I mean, if only the people who liked the second movie hated this one, I could justify it to myself by saying, "Well, I disagreed with them on the last one, so maybe I will on this one too." Or if only the people who disliked the second one hated this one, I could rationalize it by saying, "They went into it with a negative attitude, so they hated it because they expected to." But no... everybody hates it. That tells me that it really does suck.
Now I have no desire to see it. I mean, why should I spend $7 on a movie that the casual fans and even the super-fans think sucks? In a way, I'm disappointed, as I was hoping to catch a movie this weekend, but now there's nothing playing that I want to see. On the other hand, I'm kind of happy. Everyone else saved me from wasting a couple hours of my time on something that sucks. They also opened up a whole realm of possible things that I can spend my $7 on. Think about it. Now I can buy myself a whole plate of Mexican food AND a Pepsi. Or, if I'm not hungry, I can get a nice PDF product from RPGNow, or possibly a used or budget-priced module from my FLGS. I could even fill up the gas tank on my Jetta almost half-way. I could get a six-pack of beer, as long as I don't get LaBatt Blue, since for some reason it's overpriced at the one store that carries it here in Richmond, and after tax ends up being about $7.35 for a sixer.
Aaron L
Hero
Well, everyone who complains about the machines using humans as energy, etc. This is only what the humans think the machines keep them alive for. I don't buy it, and teh machbines never say that it is true.
And as for Neo's powers outside the Matrix:
And as for Neo's powers outside the Matrix:
I though it was pretty clear that the Source Neo was conected to was the power source. He was seeing energy conduits and things in the machine city, and he was blowing up sentinels by overloading them. I know that doesn't explain how he saw Smith, but I know it has something to do with that.
Mathew_Freeman
Adventurer
I want to say again that I have enjoyed all three movies, and that I also enjoyed the open ending more than a nice, neat, everything-is-tied-up sort of ending.
The Aurthurian moment was neatly done, too.
Oh, the reason Morpheus and co didn't just shoot the Sentinels in the first film is that they're hiding from them. Suddenly going into a hail of gunfire really isn't the sort of thing you want to do when you're trying to avoid detection. The Sentinels can no doubt talk amongst themselves, so if you start shooting one it'll tell all it's friends and then you're really screwed.
The Aurthurian moment was neatly done, too.
Oh, the reason Morpheus and co didn't just shoot the Sentinels in the first film is that they're hiding from them. Suddenly going into a hail of gunfire really isn't the sort of thing you want to do when you're trying to avoid detection. The Sentinels can no doubt talk amongst themselves, so if you start shooting one it'll tell all it's friends and then you're really screwed.
Rationalization
I suppose, although sentinels are never seen to have that capacity. As fast as they were getting taken down in this movie, it seems they could have shot them up and chased down any trying to broadcast "we found a ship". Either interpretation seems ok, my point was sentinels seemed stronger in the other movies whereas in this one they are the fodder getting taken down like flies.
Which brings me to these APC (APU?) thingies. Its been said that Zion has been in skirmishes before, (which doesnt follow, as that implies the machines know where Zion is, which is the crux of the first movie and skipped over in the second) hence the need for such defenses. And someone else made a good point about the front not being covered, I kept waiting for another thing to get lowered over the pilot - it would seem the din of all those guns would cause you to go deaf and the vibrations would make it near impossible to aim with any accuracy. The training courses must have been brutal though, I mean obviously they were done in the matrix (I know kung-fu) on how to operate/target sentinels, so why doesnt every 'holed' citizen in Zion have that capacity? I know there arent that many of these units, but its only a few seconds to have the knowledge.
Inconsistencies were mounting (but there was a chance the 3rd movie would dispel them), but little was revealed (and I can understand not revealing some things, for the mystery) and more inconsistencies created. Hence my distaste. I still feel it is a decent movie, and it IS the kind of movie I go to the movies for (big action/explosion) it just let me down in terms of the potential I assigned to it (being as good as the first, or possibly (gasp) better).
Technik
I suppose, although sentinels are never seen to have that capacity. As fast as they were getting taken down in this movie, it seems they could have shot them up and chased down any trying to broadcast "we found a ship". Either interpretation seems ok, my point was sentinels seemed stronger in the other movies whereas in this one they are the fodder getting taken down like flies.
Which brings me to these APC (APU?) thingies. Its been said that Zion has been in skirmishes before, (which doesnt follow, as that implies the machines know where Zion is, which is the crux of the first movie and skipped over in the second) hence the need for such defenses. And someone else made a good point about the front not being covered, I kept waiting for another thing to get lowered over the pilot - it would seem the din of all those guns would cause you to go deaf and the vibrations would make it near impossible to aim with any accuracy. The training courses must have been brutal though, I mean obviously they were done in the matrix (I know kung-fu) on how to operate/target sentinels, so why doesnt every 'holed' citizen in Zion have that capacity? I know there arent that many of these units, but its only a few seconds to have the knowledge.
Inconsistencies were mounting (but there was a chance the 3rd movie would dispel them), but little was revealed (and I can understand not revealing some things, for the mystery) and more inconsistencies created. Hence my distaste. I still feel it is a decent movie, and it IS the kind of movie I go to the movies for (big action/explosion) it just let me down in terms of the potential I assigned to it (being as good as the first, or possibly (gasp) better).
Technik
ASH
First Post
I liked it. I think that people who did not like it probably expected too much. Or Thought there was more meaning in things like the kiss in the second movie or the candy that the oracle was giveing Neo. Yes there was cheseey dialoge. Some scenes were too long. I liked the small side characters they were not given that much attention. I understood it. Yes some of it you have to take on what was suggested and not proven with facts but its a movie not a court case.
Good movie.!!!
I cant wait for Return of the King!!!!!
Good movie.!!!
I cant wait for Return of the King!!!!!
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I think most people who disliked the movie expected evocative if not humane dialogue, suspenceful pacing appropriate to an action film, non-mastubatory special effects that served the need of the aformentioned action script, and a coherent tone which didn't languish in the hypocricy of film-makers who bask in a deconstructionist philosophy while pumping there films with orchastral noise and assorted other demonstration of their own pomposity.
But that could just be me...
But that could just be me...
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