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    "So tell us they you left Star Fleet..."

    It sounds like Patrick Stewart's involvement is minimal.

    Much like some of the Conan The Barbarian comics, where King Conan is in only a few panels, while the majority of the issue is about an event/story from his past.

    So Stewart can introduce the episode/series and then the series can deal with what happened "fifteen years ago... leading the biggest rescue armada in Federation history."

    Heck they don't then need Stewart to act much if at all in that series, if this is how they are going to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legatus_Legionis View Post
    "So tell us they you left Star Fleet..."

    It sounds like Patrick Stewart's involvement is minimal.
    No, it sounds like it's a show about a man not in Starfleet.

    Man, that's an odd takeaway!
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    @trappedslider I've meant to say this before, but please do make at least a minimal effort to format your posts to make them legible to other people. Five words followed by a URL without even a linebreak doesn't even qualify as a sentence, and screws up on some devices. This isn't Twitter.

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    ask and ye shall receive.

    https://youtu.be/IGijGIZrGKc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hussar View Post
    Was that the voice of Michael from Discovery?
    I am guessing not, though I cannot be sure, of course.

    It sounds a whole lot like the actress Gina Torres (Zoe, from Firefly). But it perhaps more likely someone who is a series regular.
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    The narrator seems to be part of the group that Picard lead out of Darkness with the greatest rescue armada in history.

    It seems that this is referring to the Hobus Supernova referenced in the first J.J.Abrams Star Trek movie. For people that forgot, most of the movie takes place in an alternate timeline, basically a the point where the USS Kelvin encounters the Narada under Nero. However, the Narada and Nero come presumably from the "Prime" Timeline (where all the other Star Trek series played in). The Hobus sun went supernova and somehow threatened Romulus, Spock tried to secure help in the Federation and on Vulcan, but because they were reluctant to help he was too slow to save Romulus. Nero swore revenge against Vulcan and the Federation, and that lead to the events in the so called Kelvin Timeline and the first Abrams movie.

    The narrator says he lead them out of darkness, which woudl suggest that whatever his exact mission was, it must have been kinda successful. What is the unthinkable that happens.
    Some fan Speculation suggests that maybe Starfleet, the Federation or Section 31 did something against the people he rescued, and that caused him to break with Starfleet.
    But maybe it were the Romulans did something, maybe they betrayed their rescuers and stole some ships or worlds to reestablish the Empire.
    It seems to me that if the narrator isn't sure what the unthinkable cost him, and suggests it might be related to his faith or his faith in himself. Either scenario would be enough to cause doubt in Picard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    I am guessing not, though I cannot be sure, of course.

    It sounds a whole lot like the actress Gin Torres (Zoe, from Firefly). But it perhaps more likely someone who is a series regular.
    I've heard its indeed a series regular, but I forgot who. (The semblance to Gina Torres is mentioned often.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustrum_Ridcully View Post
    The narrator seems to be part of the group that Picard lead out of Darkness with the greatest rescue armada in history.

    It seems that this is referring to the Hobus Supernova referenced in the first J.J.Abrams Star Trek movie. For people that forgot, most of the movie takes place in an alternate timeline, basically a the point where the USS Kelvin encounters the Narada under Nero. However, the Narada and Nero come presumably from the "Prime" Timeline (where all the other Star Trek series played in).
    That does seem likely, especially given the echoed "but then, the unthinkable happened" line.

    The tricky part there is that Star Trek's portrayal of altered timelines has always been that it doesn't create multiple parallel universes - if an event in the past alters the course of history, that new timeline takes over and the existing one goes away. That's consistent through City on the Edge of Forever, First Contact and quite a few other examples. In order to restore a timeline you need to be somehow unaffected by the change, and have a means of going back to the past to undo the inciting incident.

    The tricky part with the Kelvin timeline was always that the inciting incident began in the future, in a timeline that no longer exists, and when Nero's ship went back in time, its impact on the timeline was massive and almost instant. Even if you wanted to restore the old timeline, how do you intervene in those events in time to prevent the USS Kelvin from interacting with the Narada?

    While that certainly hasn't stopped them from making series set in the original timeline, it is, at least, a sufficiently tricky issue that it would deserve some exploration in any series which is set in the original timeline but still features the events that kickstarted the Kelvin timeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    That does seem likely, especially given the echoed "but then, the unthinkable happened" line.
    Hm...

    The tricky part there is that Star Trek's portrayal of altered timelines has always been that it doesn't create multiple parallel universes ...

    The tricky part with the Kelvin timeline was always that the inciting incident began in the future, in a timeline that no longer exists, and when Nero's ship went back in time, its impact on the timeline was massive and almost instant. Even if you wanted to restore the old timeline, how do you intervene in those events in time to prevent the USS Kelvin from interacting with the Narada?

    While that certainly hasn't stopped them from making series set in the original timeline, it is, at least, a sufficiently tricky issue that it would deserve some exploration in any series which is set in the original timeline but still features the events that kickstarted the Kelvin timeline.
    Perhaps. Some possibilities...

    1) Note that the time travel in this case is accomplished through means different from every other time travel seen in the Trek Universe. It actually hints at some things in real science, in that for some kinds of black hole, the math suggests that you can go in, and get out of the black hole into another universe. This may be what happens in the Kelvin timeline, making it all simple. From the point of view of the prime timeline, The Jellyfish and the Narada fall into a black hole, never to be seen again.

    2) The changes that Nero and Spock make to the timeline are self-limiting, or Prime-Spock arranges for them to be looped. For example, Prime-Spock tells Kelvin-Spock to never touch red matter. No black hole is created for Spock and Nero to fall into. The time-travel never happens, so the Kelvin timeline never happens. Or, alternatively, knowing the impact of the supernova, and when it will be, the Kelvin Timeline avoids the death of Nero's family, and he never chases Spock down.

    3) Guess, what? Kirk, Spock, and the planet Vulcan are great and all... but the timeline manages, regardless. The events of Next Gen happen, just with fewer Vulcans. There's a rescue armada to help the Romulans faced with a supernova, and shortly thereafter, something goes horribly awry and Admiral Picard leaves Starfleet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbran View Post
    Perhaps. Some possibilities...

    1) Note that the time travel in this case is accomplished through means different from every other time travel seen in the Trek Universe. It actually hints at some things in real science, in that for some kinds of black hole, the math suggests that you can go in, and get out of the black hole into another universe. This may be what happens in the Kelvin timeline, making it all simple. From the point of view of the prime timeline, The Jellyfish and the Narada fall into a black hole, never to be seen again.
    I like that one. It is, as you say, the simplest and neatest solution.

    2) The changes that Nero and Spock make to the timeline are self-limiting, or Prime-Spock arranges for them to be looped. For example, Prime-Spock tells Kelvin-Spock to never touch red matter. No black hole is created for Spock and Nero to fall into. The time-travel never happens, so the Kelvin timeline never happens. Or, alternatively, knowing the impact of the supernova, and when it will be, the Kelvin Timeline avoids the death of Nero's family, and he never chases Spock down.
    That one doesn't really work. The Spock and Nero in this universe are orphans from the other timeline. Nothing their versions in this timeline do will affect how things played out in the original timeline.

    3) Guess, what? Kirk, Spock, and the planet Vulcan are great and all... but the timeline manages, regardless. The events of Next Gen happen, just with fewer Vulcans. There's a rescue armada to help the Romulans faced with a supernova, and shortly thereafter, something goes horribly awry and Admiral Picard leaves Starfleet...
    Eurgh, the whole "self-correcting history" trope is one I've never been keen on - and there's no indication of that happening in the subsequent movies. Khan got woken up early and drafted into Section 31, Kirk wound up dying in the reactor instead of Spock, the Enterprise NCC-1701 was destroyed decades early and was replaced with a more advanced model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    I like that one. It is, as you say, the simplest and neatest solution.
    The events of ST: Into Darkness contain some evidence that this is, in fact, the case - Khan has access to technology that does not work in the prime timeline, even in the Voyager era - transporter action across interstellar distances. Khan couldn't produce that in the Prime timeline, nor could the Klingons. Nero, who is from the Prime timeline, didn't have that tech. So, where did this come from?

    The best answer may be that this is not so much new timeline as a different universe, with different tech pathway, and they just happens to pop into it from the black hole at the points they did.

    That one doesn't really work. The Spock and Nero in this universe are orphans from the other timeline. Nothing their versions in this timeline do will affect how things played out in the original timeline.
    No, you misunderstand - as you yourself noted - in typical Trek time travel, the prime timeline now *no longer exists*. How things played out in the original timeline is irrelevant. We are not considering how things play out in the Kelvine timeline. In the Kelvin timeline, Nero travels back in time.

    Except, in the Kelvin Timeline, there may be no need, or even no possibility, for Nero to travel back in time. PARADOX!

    Trek has generally avoided outright paradoxes in its time travel. We don't know how they'll resolve this one. That resolution may lead to an answer to what's going on in Picard's show.

    Eurgh, the whole "self-correcting history" trope is one I've never been keen on - and there's no indication of that happening in the subsequent movies. Khan got woken up early and drafted into Section 31, Kirk wound up dying in the reactor instead of Spock, the Enterprise NCC-1701 was destroyed decades early and was replaced with a more advanced model.
    This isn't "self-correcting" so much as noting that, for purposes of what makes Picard's show happen... the changes may not matter.

    Yes, Kirk dies instead of Spock. But, just like before, we get the dead one back anyway. No net change. And so, the Enterprise gets to be NCC-1701-A a bit earlier -that's a name. Big whoop. Kirk and Spock and McCoy and Scotty can still go gallivanting around the galaxy, like before. No big deal. They are still around to get whales in Trek 4, for example.

    What changes happen that would make it so that Picard never makes it to the captain's chair? I can't think of any that do so clearly.

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