Picard Season 4 Rumour

[Henadic Theologian]

It sounds like its a false rumour, but that Star Trek Legacy was very likely planned all along, and that fans were baited on purpose into the petition for it so that it would look like it was the fans idea, not Kurtzman and his teams idea, because Kurtzman knows he hated in a large chunk of the fandom for the JJ Abrams movies and early nu trek (Discovery & S1&2 of Picard).

I admire Kurtzman, the man is playing series 4d chess and not just outwitting the entire fandom, but playing even those who hate him as pawns to build him Star Trek Empire with.

 

[GreyLord]

Didn't watch the video. Can you summarize it?

Other than that, I haven't followed developments enough to know exactly what you are referring to overall. What do you mean fans were baited so that Star Trek Legacy would be made?

I didn't think fans had anything to do with those decisions...if you could elaborate it would be appreciated.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Didn't watch the video. Can you summarize it?

Other than that, I haven't followed developments enough to know exactly what you are referring to overall. What do you mean fans were baited so that Star Trek Legacy would be made?

I didn't think fans had anything to do with those decisions...if you could elaborate it would be appreciated.

The video in question Sci Trek mentions that his contacts have told him Star Trek Strange New Worlds and Legacy always to planned to be done, but they pretended it wasn't to make it seem like it was this organic fan thing, forcing Kurtzman's hand, so that Star Trek fans who hate Kurtzman will watch them.

And adding to what was said in the video, Its means at first Terry Matalas acted like Season 3 of Picard wasn't a backdoor pilot and talked like there wasn't going to be a Star Trek Legacy and talked hypothetically what he might do if there was a Star Trek Legacy. It was baiting fans into signing a petition to make Star Trek Legacy. But when your talking about shows with millions of viewers 60,000 signatories or the 30,000 Strange New Worlds were never going to change Paramounts mind, so the real purpose of the petition was generating a ton of good publicity for the show, same with the petition for Strange New Worlds.


And dispite the pretenses, various interviews with various crew let things skip, indictating certain things were done delibrately to set up Star Trek Legacy, but if that was the case, then Terry was fibbing when he said originally that P3 wasn't a backdoor pilot for STL.

Just like how its so obvious that season 2 of Discovery was a backdoor pilot not only for SNWs, but also a 31st century rebooted Discovery. And parts of season 3 was a backdoor pilot for Section 31 and Starfleet Academy, although these targeted more towards Discovery fans so they didn't both getting a petition going.


See what I mean Kurtzman is playing 4d chess?

Kathleen Kennedy should have taken notes.

 

[Morrus]

Sounds like clickbaity conspiracy theory to me. I haven’t watched it… what’s the evidence? If it’s just an anonymous source. I’ll feel free to disregard.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Sounds like clickbaity conspiracy theory to me. I haven’t watched it… what’s the evidence? If it’s just an anonymous source. I’ll feel free to disregard.

Some of it is from anonymous sources, but it fits the evidence and makes more sense then tens of thousands swaying the decisions of Paramount, when these shows have MILLIONS of viewers, as well as fitting with things that have slipped out during various interviews indicting P3 was indeed planned as a Backdoor pilot.

 

[Morrus]

but it fits the evidence

My question was... what is the evidence?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Top evidence.

 

[Ryujin]

Click baity title to ultimately say that no, there is no season 4, then talk about something else.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

My question was... what is the evidence?

I already mentioned the evidence.

 

[Morrus]

I already mentioned the evidence.

You mentioned anonymous sources. Is that it?

 

[MarkB]

Some of it is from anonymous sources, but it fits the evidence and makes more sense then tens of thousands swaying the decisions of Paramount, when these shows have MILLIONS of viewers, as well as fitting with things that have slipped out during various interviews indicting P3 was indeed planned as a Backdoor pilot.

Well, that's kind-of the point - these shows have millions of viewers, most of whom probably don't even know who Kurtzman is. So why would they bother going through all sorts of weird shenanigans just to win over the tiny portion of the potential viewership who'd be influenced by or even have the slightest awareness of such tactics?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Many Cardassian tailors died to bring us this information.

 

[Ryujin]

Many Cardassian tailors died to bring us this information.

One. And he didn't tell us anything (wink-wink).

 

[Henadic Theologian]

You mentioned anonymous sources. Is that it?

No I also pointed to inconsistances on the subject of weather or not P3 was intended to be a back door pilot or not in interviews with key crew, including Terry himself in interviews. I mean it'd be hard to design a season as a back door pilot like they did without Kurtzman supporting the idea. In both Season P3 for STL and DIS2 for SNWs, so much of the series resources were directed towards setting a new series up. They did to a lesser extent do the same for Section 31 and SFA during the later 31st century seasons of Discovery, using episodes to set those shows up. Basically any show that wasn't apart of the intial first wave of shows promised (Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy all wave/phase 1 shows, SNWs, SFA Section 31, STL wave 2/phase 2 shows).

So it fits a broader pattern.

 

[Morrus]

So I took the hit, as it's only 10 minutes long. It's just some guy's opinions, no evidence other than a vague 'my sources say that was always the plan'. That's it, pretty much.

 

[Ryujin]

So I took the hit, as it's only 10 minutes long. It's just some guy's opinions, no evidence other than a vague 'my sources say that was always the plan'. That's it, pretty much.

Yeah, it was in my Youtube suggestions, a few days back, and I hadn't seen this thread then. He's doing a lot of blue skying. I commented on the click-baitiness of the title because that was what sucked me into it, in the first place.

 

[MarkB]

One. And he didn't tell us anything (wink-wink).

Oh, he told us a lot, and it was all true. Especially the parts that contradicted each other.

 

[Stalker0]

Well, that's kind-of the point - these shows have millions of viewers, most of whom probably don't even know who Kurtzman is. So why would they bother going through all sorts of weird shenanigans just to win over the tiny portion of the potential viewership who'd be influenced by or even have the slightest awareness of such tactics?

So they stop sending hate mail probably

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

No I also pointed to inconsistances on the subject of weather or not P3 was intended to be a back door pilot or not in interviews with key crew, including Terry himself in interviews. I mean it'd be hard to design a season as a back door pilot like they did without Kurtzman supporting the idea. In both Season P3 for STL and DIS2 for SNWs, so much of the series resources were directed towards setting a new series up. They did to a lesser extent do the same for Section 31 and SFA during the later 31st century seasons of Discovery, using episodes to set those shows up. Basically any show that wasn't apart of the intial first wave of shows promised (Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy all wave/phase 1 shows, SNWs, SFA Section 31, STL wave 2/phase 2 shows).

So it fits a broader pattern.

It's ... very common for shows, especially genre shows, to be used as backdoor pilots to launch new shows. Usually, they are pretty cagey about it because a lot of time they end up not launching the new show for various reasons, and for that reason they prefer to keep it in the somewhat nebulous area.

See, e.g., numerous Arrowverse episodes that both launched successful spinoffs (like the Flash) and unsuccessful ones (Painkiller).

Heck, Ahsoka? Anyone?

 

[Umbran]

Some of it is from anonymous sources, but it fits the evidence and makes more sense then tens of thousands swaying the decisions of Paramount

Star Trek is the original example of fan outcry getting shows made.

And I have zero memory of Paramount ever pretending that SNW wasn't going to be made. That sounds like revisionist history to support conspiracy theory.

Yes, they used DISCO as a way to pilot the idea, but that being a pilot was obvious and well-understood by the fans as soon as it aired. Because, let us be honest, there is no other reason for Burnham to be raised on Vulcan than to lead into that. The plans were obvious.