Eldritch Evocations

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shadowoflameth

Adventurer

• Sep 28, 2018

• #1

So if I'm reading the PHB right, you get 2 Eldritch Evocations at 2nd level but you can't yet take any of the ones that require a Pact Feature because you don't get that until 3rd. When you gain Warlock 3rd though you can replace one and start picking up pact specific ones. Yes? It seems odd that if you have chosen your patron you haven't yet established what pact you have. Do I have this RAW correct?

 

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Zerdal

Explorer

• Sep 28, 2018

• #2

Correct. Pact invocations (Blade / Chain / Tome) are available from 3rd level.

 

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MechaTarrasque

Hero

• Sep 28, 2018

• #3

shadowoflameth said:

So if I'm reading the PHB right, you get 2 Eldritch Evocations at 2nd level but you can't yet take any of the ones that require a Pact Feature because you don't get that until 3rd. When you gain Warlock 3rd though you can replace one and start picking up pact specific ones. Yes? It seems odd that if you have chosen your patron you haven't yet established what pact you have. Do I have this RAW correct?

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You, the player, know what the warlock's implement will be, but there is no evidence that the PC actually knows until he/she gets it:

A) It could be that the patron picks what to give the warlock.
B) It could also be a point of negotiation. That would also cover the PC knowing what he/she will get, but the patron forbidding access to invocations.
C) It would also fit the Lovecraftian GOO-type patron for the warlock to have to stick his/her hand into some weird hole in space and get the first thing you grab......

 

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CrimsonCarcharodon

Explorer

• Sep 29, 2018

• #4

Maybe as the warlock proves themself worthy, the patron requires a more specific pact in return for granting the warlock more power. Thus, at 3rd level you get a pact boon and access to more invocations.

 

ad_hoc

(they/them)

• Sep 29, 2018

• #5

1st and 2nd level by by so fast that it doesn't matter.

They should be 1 session each.

 

Kobold Stew

Last Guy in the Airlock

Supporter

• Sep 29, 2018

• #6

Yes.

Level 1: no invocations
Level 2: two invocations
Level 3: two invocations, one may be pact-specific
Level 4: two invocations, both may be pact-specific
Level 5: three invocations ... (etc.)

 

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Eubani

Legend

• Sep 29, 2018

• #7

Or if your DM allows hold off selecting one till the next level.

 

Paul Farquhar

Legend

• Sep 29, 2018

• #8

At level 3 you unlearn one of the invocations you had at level 2 to aquire your pact-related one.

The ability to unlearn invocations is a key warlock ability.

 

ad_hoc

(they/them)

• Sep 29, 2018

• #9

Eubani said:

Or if your DM allows hold off selecting one till the next level.

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Why would you want to do that?

 

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Eubani

Legend

• Sep 29, 2018

• #10

So you can get the invocation when you meet the requirements.