D&D (2024) Warlock -- initial analyses

[NaturalZero]

That is your thing. It has nothing to do with dumb. It is that at level 1 making the subclass choice is usually uninformed. Often you learn to know your character by playing it a few levels.

Not one designer called you dumb.

You literally quoted my posted and then used the word "dumb" twice, as if that's what I said.

They said they didn't want to overwhelm players with too many choices. It was never about knowing your character in an RP sense, it was about being mechanically uninformed. They don't trust new players to have game mastery.

 

[Horwath]

That is your thing. It has nothing to do with dumb. It is that at level 1 making the subclass choice is usually uninformed. Often you learn to know your character by playing it a few levels.

make mistakes, learn from it.
as a DM you can allow a player to change their choices if they do not like it after a level or two

Not one designer called you dumb.

It's called reading between lines.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

make mistakes, learn from it.
as a DM you can allow a player to change their choices if they do not like it after a level or two

Yeah. Or make informed choices to begin with.

It's called reading between lines.

No. It is projecting your own predjudices onto others.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

You literally quoted my posted and then used the word "dumb" twice, as if that's what I said.

If it is not what you meant I apologize.

They said they didn't want to overwhelm players with too many choices. It was never about knowing your character in an RP sense, it was about being mechanically uninformed. They don't trust new players to have game mastery.

Yeah. Which is a safe assumption. You don't get mastery before you play.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

What specific flavour? You can play your character as having bonded with a specific patron right from level 1, and you're gaining powers from them right from level 1 - that's where your spells and invocation come from. The only thing that's delayed until level 3 is specialisation.

Hmm. You're right! Can you tell that I just buy the books and read them and don't actually play? I used to DM 1E, then 2E for a short while... from the early 80s and into the early 90s. I still buy the books when a new edition comes out, even though I have moved on to other hobbies.

 

[Horwath]

Yeah. Which is a safe assumption. You don't get mastery before you play.

that is why you need to get as many aspects of the game at 1st level. checking for balances OFC.

faster you get things thrown your way, faster you learn.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

that is why you need to get as many aspects of the game at 1st level. checking for balances OFC.

faster you get things thrown your way, faster you learn.

No. That is not how learning works. But hey. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Horwath]

No. That is not how learning works. But hey. Whatever floats your boat.

well there is always a limit on how much you can intake per unit of time, but I do not think that low level D&D play is nearing that limit.

we had new players in D&D starting at 5th level.
Some tried to be a full caster as their 1st character and I'm not going to lie, it was a struggle for couple of sessions, but people did muddle through it. And they learned.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

well there is always a limit on how much you can intake per unit of time, but I do not think that low level D&D play is nearing that limit.

Yeah. For some people it is, for some not. And I am playing with people who are happy to have less decision points at level 1. You can take my word for it or not. Whatever.

we had new players in D&D starting at 5th level.

We too. And we had other players.

Some tried to be a full caster as their 1st character and I'm not going to lie, it was a struggle for couple of sessions, but people did muddle through it. And they learned.

Yes. But after a few session they are level 3 anyway.

 

[Kobold Stew]

That said, they also combined several invocations together, meaning those 10 invocations now stretch further than the 8 you originally got.

What combinations are you referring to?