Did the WotC boards blow up...again?

appropriate considering the revelation of a fairly obvious pot-kettle situation.
You'll have to frame this more clearly, as I have no idea what you're trying to reference.

As a member of the cust-serve department, I would figure it obvious why I took offense to that statement. Especially when I trekked over here to try to post to keep people updated as best I could. Not that its even my job to. Not that anyone at WotC even wants me to. Just because I thought people might care.
You did? Did I miss it? What's the update?

Seriously, all I've seen you doing is telling people over here how you think they should behave. If you have beans, feel free to spill them.

Cheers, -- N
 

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People need to stop insulting Tao. I don't give a damn if you love or hate WotC's boards, but he shouldn't be the focus of that for you in this thread. If you disagree with something he's said, then discuss it with him - but getting snippy will get you booted. Clear?

Email me with questions if you have them.
 

As a member of the cust-serve department, I would figure it obvious why I took offense to that statement. Especially when I trekked over here to try to post to keep people updated as best I could. Not that its even my job to. Not that anyone at WotC even wants me to. Just because I thought people might care.

;)

I don't think anyone is angry at you personally (unless maybe you banned them at some point). From what I can tell you are interested in keeping people informed about what is going on, and you have been very open. But people are frustrated with wizards and the way they handle these sorts of things. Its strange that I am getting more information on this problem by visiting another companies website and reading posts from a wizards employee, than I could ever hope to get at the official D&D forum. To be honest, I am not so sure it is a customer service problem as much as it is a PR problem. I have at times been shocked by the kind of statements they allow to be officially released (particularly the one that gets construed as a criticism of gamer hygeine).
 

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Now I can't log in, I have been a member for 4 years-I am not recognized, and they wonder why I dont want to try DDI??? Ian
 
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Going off of memory, so may not be completely accurate

Near the end of last week, there were some problems with the WotC boards that ended up erasing some peoples thread subscriptions. The point man (WotC_ErcB IIRC) was working on some things to fix it. The tests he ran last friday did the same thing. (Said that you didn't have permissions to view blah blah blah).

Yesterday morning, he said he thought he had found the problem as well as the solution, but wanted to do more testing before he implemented it.

I am guessing that this lack of access to the forums is a result of his fix being implemented.
 


As a member of the cust-serve department, I would figure it obvious why I took offense to that statement. Especially when I trekked over here to try to post to keep people updated as best I could. Not that its even my job to. Not that anyone at WotC even wants me to. Just because I thought people might care.

First off, thanks for dropping in. I have got far more information from this non WoTC site than their own.

You are confusing me.

You say that the management does not care about the forums as they are non revenue generating. I have worked in such roles for companies that see IT as nothing more than a overhead sink that garners nothing in return. I completely understand your sentiment here and frankly, working in such a environment sucks.

You then say we should open a CS ticket and complain so that management see the hard numbers of complaints. From what I can tell you are both a member of IT and CS, dual hat type role which again is not uncommon at all. But as you CS role, you also say they won't listen to you.

So now we hear that both in the forum posts and CS tickets, management simply does not give a flying fart about the forums and other other parts of gleemax that have been crashing. There is no revenue lost, so they don't really care. I don't think that many on this board or the WoTC boards would find that surprising in the least.

From what I have read on the DDI boards this attitude is also obvious. Frankly I will be surprised if DDI is launched with its advertised features. If focus is that concentrated on generating revenue we will likely get a product that is released too early, too buggy and with limited features. After a poor launch the project will be scrapped.

My only word of advice is this: Get Out. If your management chain appoints people to liaise with the community(customers) in both its own forums and customer service platform but then ignores those people, your management sucks. Sorry for that unprofessional assessment, but thats it. Unless you are making good bank, (unlikely given the attitude to IT), then you are just burning yourself out working for people that don't respect what you do.
 

Going off of memory, so may not be completely accurate

Near the end of last week, there were some problems with the WotC boards that ended up erasing some peoples thread subscriptions. The point man (WotC_ErcB IIRC) was working on some things to fix it. The tests he ran last friday did the same thing. (Said that you didn't have permissions to view blah blah blah).

Yesterday morning, he said he thought he had found the problem as well as the solution, but wanted to do more testing before he implemented it.

I am guessing that this lack of access to the forums is a result of his fix being implemented.

Mud, that's actually one of several different (tangentially related) problems being worked on. There are also some issues with integrating the PHP coding of the forums and the ASP coding of everything else and maintaining a single session for both. There's also an issue with the archiving script which went unnoticed for several months and got progressively worse. The increased nightly downtime is a result of them trying to run through the archiving script to get it caught up (now that it has been fixed). The unexpected (July 4th, for example) downtimes seem to be a result of database issues stemming from the SSO (Single Sign On) login scripting. There has been no word on fixes for that particular issue.

Oh, and there was a hardware issue with one of the servers which required it being removed and replaced, but meant we were at half-capacity for about a week or so. I think (though I could be wrong) that this has been fixed.

There's also been issues (I believe DNS related, but I didn't get any real details on it) with both Qwest and Comcast in the last week or so. That one, at least, should have been fixed by now, but again, I haven't gotten any confirmation either way.

If I'm not mistaken, I think you'll find it customary here at ENWorld for WOTC employees to put their name and position in their signature line. I really don't want to be snide, but ENWorld really isn't some adjunct site for Wizards.com.
And put that target on my back? No thank you ;).

Generally speaking, I come to ENWorld to relax and get away from my "other job". I enjoy what I do, most of the time, but sometimes its nice to be able to talk to people about gaming without having the weight of a public persona and a huge corporation on my shoulders. Regardless of what I do from 9-5, I am a gamer, and sometimes its nice to just be able to talk to people as a gamer. I'm not here as an envoy from Wizards of the Coast... I don't get paid nearly well enough to be embarking on good will missions into "enemy territory". However, I do enjoy the community there and I want it to succeed so if I can speak candidly every once in a while and clear up some concerns, I have no problem doing that.

While lurking, I happened across this particular thread and figured I could perhaps add something worthwhile. Michael (and another poster, Wayne, I believe) had already pretty well explained the majority of the problem, so I figured I would just confirm what he had said. However, I was also a little bit offended at some of the insults he made concerning customer service and forum moderation... both jobs that I currently do. Considering that he had worked, at least indirectly, with the WizO team in the past I was surprised and a little bit hurt by what he had said.

I'll admit that I got a bit defensive. I have apologized for that. I realize now that those particular insults probably weren't intended for the WizOs. They just seemed to hit a little close to home (like I said, I come here to relax and leave my other job behind). It just seemed as though Michael was taking potshots at people without realizing that some of them have worked with him in the past and some of them do care enough to try to help.

He's right. The people who matter probably won't ever read this thread. However, at least one of the people he insulted did. I am not saying not to insult Wizards of the Coast as a company. As I said earlier, they make themselves a fairly easy target. I'm not trying to defend the company, but rather the employees. The individual people working there, especially the lower level guys who are just doing their jobs as best they can, are generally pretty nice people. They are gamers who make less than they probably deserve so that they can work in an industry they enjoy. They're not the ones setting policy and don't deserve to be targets of anyone's ire. Insult the policy. Insult the actions. There's no need to insult the people.
 
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I don't think anyone is angry at you personally (unless maybe you banned them at some point). From what I can tell you are interested in keeping people informed about what is going on, and you have been very open. But people are frustrated with wizards and the way they handle these sorts of things. Its strange that I am getting more information on this problem by visiting another companies website and reading posts from a wizards employee, than I could ever hope to get at the official D&D forum. To be honest, I am not so sure it is a customer service problem as much as it is a PR problem. I have at times been shocked by the kind of statements they allow to be officially released (particularly the one that gets construed as a criticism of gamer hygeine).

If people feel that a message to CS isn't getting through, they could try greg.leeds@wizards.com or

Greg Leeds
Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
PO Box 707
Renton, WA 98057
 

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