Edition wars ban extension?

[pawsplay]

I understand the practical reason for the ban, but in the long term, I think these things will have to work themselves out. Stating one edition is better than another is against the "no wars" policy, but it's a reasonable position to take, as long as you are tactful about it. Maybe it's too soon, but I'm starting to wonder when it will have been "long enough."

 

[Mark]

At the moment, the ban is slightly problematic - I see a growing trend for people to call "edition wars!" on any and all threads that criticize some aspect of an edition. I don't find that at all acceptable.

On the other hand, many people are still being goobers, and lashing out by crapping on threads that don't deserve it.

If we continue the ban, we will restrict the free flow of ideas. If we remove the ban, we are going to have to be a lot more stringent with discipline - and we will have folks complain that we disciplined them when they didn't deserve it.

Until the populace of EN World gets its collective head together, there is no good solution.

Use the tools at your disposal. Mods can split edition wars conversation out of threads that it inappropriately infects and then combine the split-off thread into a huge ongoing depository thread for edition wars chatter (and temp ban anyone who repeatedly causes that to need to happen in threads where it is inappropriate). Once people realize that trying to shut down conversation by jumping in with edition wars talk or accusations, I think that ploy will become less attractive.

Stifling genuine discussion on edition comparisons is probably not a good thing for EN World in the long run.

 

[jaerdaph]

And if this ban continues, we risk losing the next great equivalent of a silent wail to provide us *all* with years of entertainment.

And that would be a comic tragedy.

 

[blargney the second]

I'd be quite happy if the next silent wail happens in someone else's living room. I'll watch from across the street in Morrus' living room with binoculars.

Edition wars are basically ideological differences. I have yet to see one that is any different from the political/religious/spanking fights that are thankfully not allowed here. If you want to edition war, go to CM.
-blarg

 

[Plane Sailing]

I wouldn't be surprised if we extend it; edition wars solve nothing and mostly succeed in greatly pissing me off.

Pretty much my feelings about it

At the moment, the ban is slightly problematic - I see a growing trend for people to call "edition wars!" on any and all threads that criticize some aspect of an edition. I don't find that at all acceptable.

Only a slight problem though - some people report too many things as 'edition warz!' just like some people report too many things as 'politiks!" It is fairly easy to filter them out.

I don't think most people have difficulty in distinguishing between rational comparison and commentary on rule differences between editions on the one hand and slamming other editions (or by implication those that like other editions) on the other hand.

The problem is that some people do have difficulty - and I've seen it bring out the worst in people, including some of whom I would not have expected it.

Regards,

 

[Umbran]

Use the tools at your disposal.

We are using the tools at out disposal, within the limits of the time we have to pay attention to the boards. We only employ hings like topic bans when things would otherwise get out of hand.

Stifling genuine discussion on edition comparisons is probably not a good thing for EN World in the long run.

Yes, I agree. But there's an honest question of whether that genuine discussion can happen, given how the people here have been behaving. Too much threadcrapping and aggressive dogmatic argument stifles discussion as well or better than a topic ban.

I put it to you that the populace of EN World has more collective power over this than the mods do - if folks would just stop engaging the problem would vanish. But they don't, so it doesn't.

 

[Mark]

I put it to you that the populace of EN World has more collective power over this than the mods do

You guys get the bad apples (perhaps with a bit more temp banning, or perma-ban with repeat offenders, rather than thread locking and topic banning), and the rest of us will have no trouble behaving just fine, IMO. I'd suggest starting off by going to each thread that has been locked, making a short list of the repeat offenders, and sending them all a three day vacation as a preemptive strike as the ban is lifted.

 

[Michael Morris]

I'd be quite happy if the next silent wail happens in someone else's living room. I'll watch from across the street in Morrus' living room with binoculars.

Edition wars are basically ideological differences. I have yet to see one that is any different from the political/religious/spanking fights that are thankfully not allowed here. If you want to edition war, go to CM.
-blarg

Bring an edition war to CM and the locals will laugh at you relentlessly and mercilessly.

 

[jaerdaph]

Edition wars are basically ideological differences.
-blarg

See, this is what I find so silly about the so-called "edition wars". People have idealogical differences over things like politics, religion, global climate change, abortion and teaching creationism or evolution in public schools. People fight real wars over ideological differences, and real people die.

We, on the other hand, are arguing like a bunch of shallow, spoiled little brats over a game.

It's just a game.

 

[The Lost Muse]

Perhaps a test-thread? If there's one specific place for it, which will be locked if people get out of line?