generalhenry
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If the designers only wanted you to be able to mark in melee, they would have written it into the rule.
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Marking via Dragon's breath
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Xorn
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I would make a full multiclass dragonborn fighter/wizard and have Thunderwave as an At-Will, just to annoy Kzach.
Does that one offend your taste buds? Cause he's a marking FOOL then.
(I'm fine with it, by the way. A guy in scale/plate that can unleash concussive blasts of thunder at-will? Yeah he'd probably be a distraction.)
Does that one offend your taste buds? Cause he's a marking FOOL then.
(I'm fine with it, by the way. A guy in scale/plate that can unleash concussive blasts of thunder at-will? Yeah he'd probably be a distraction.)
Mongo1967
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I, for one, really like the idea that my hulking Dragonborn Fighter can spew a great gout of [insert energy type here] and everyone in the blast says, "Dear [insert deity of choice], that guy's scary, I better kill him first!" That's assuming he lives, of course. 
Imagine also that I clip a couple of minions in that blast. Don't you think their friends are going to want to retaliate? "He killed Benny and Utzdrakhovishiminar! Get 'im!"
I will admit that I'm much less enthused about the Paladin "sling-and-run" build (my players haven't considered Eyebite yet, please don't tell them), but there's nothing in the RAW that makes it not work.
When everything's said and done, monsters are supposed to attack the characters that marked them. It's the fundamental assumption of the mechanic and it's good for the game.
Imagine also that I clip a couple of minions in that blast. Don't you think their friends are going to want to retaliate? "He killed Benny and Utzdrakhovishiminar! Get 'im!"
I will admit that I'm much less enthused about the Paladin "sling-and-run" build (my players haven't considered Eyebite yet, please don't tell them), but there's nothing in the RAW that makes it not work.
When everything's said and done, monsters are supposed to attack the characters that marked them. It's the fundamental assumption of the mechanic and it's good for the game.
All of 4e is cheese. Seriously, if you don't see that, I recommend a visit to the opthamologist, stat.
Otterscrubber
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That's my interpretation as well. This is very effective. For one round
Although I've found with my dragonborn ranger the larger area is only useful if you get to go first in the combat as after that opponents are usually pretty well mixed up with your allies and it can be hard to effectively use this without hurting your friends.
But, once an encounter, you get to mark a whole buncha chumps which can really help you get your foes into good position for the rest of the team.
Danceofmasks
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Well, if such a dragonborn fighter ever makes it to level 30 as a demigod ... watch out.
Breathe twice + encounter attack power every single round?
What if the attack power = warrior's urging?
Can we say mark everything every turn?
Breathe twice + encounter attack power every single round?
What if the attack power = warrior's urging?
Can we say mark everything every turn?
inati
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And yet here you are insulting people yet again for a game you declare as being entirely made of processed milk product. If you feel that way, then why are you even here other than to troll?
And then, you start a thread in the General RPG section to whine about people quoting RAW, which was posted at the exact time you got spanked on this thread. Can someone say, "passive aggressive"?
I like the thunderwave at-will idea, so I might give that a try. I got plenty of crackers too
Danceofmasks
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As amusing as it is, it requires int to hit .. and costs your standard action.
Not nearly as good as dragon breath.
Not nearly as good as dragon breath.
inati
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Absolutely true. A minor action close blast 3 or 5 (with feats) is better than a Close blast 3 standard action. But Dragon Breath is an encounter power vs an At will, so at least thunderwave would be spammable, and would mark even though it would probably miss often
This build would also be the same as building any other fighter/wizard multiclass, so it's not a stretch of the imagination by any means. Actually, if you kept your Int low, you could spam thunderwave in the middle of your already engaged party and you would most likely miss all your party members, mark all the mobs, and enjoy free attacks if the enemies don't attack you. Now, THAT could be overpowered, if not for the fact that the fighter most likely gimped themselves out of all those feats and a paragon path to achieve spammable AoE Combat Challenge.
But as Xorn pointed out, it's just really in response to people with dairy obsessions
This build would also be the same as building any other fighter/wizard multiclass, so it's not a stretch of the imagination by any means. Actually, if you kept your Int low, you could spam thunderwave in the middle of your already engaged party and you would most likely miss all your party members, mark all the mobs, and enjoy free attacks if the enemies don't attack you. Now, THAT could be overpowered, if not for the fact that the fighter most likely gimped themselves out of all those feats and a paragon path to achieve spammable AoE Combat Challenge.
But as Xorn pointed out, it's just really in response to people with dairy obsessions
Marking with the Dragonborn breath is 100% legal, is quite good, appears to be intended, and isn't really particularly overpowered.
The challenge specifically only requires that it be a creature you target, it does not require melee. The Dragonbreath targets every creature in the area, so it's legal.
This is opposed to the Cleave, which only *Targets* one creature, so you cannot use it to mark 2 creatures at once, since the 2nd creature is only part of the effect, not the target. However, they can Mark multiple targets using their Sweeping Blow.
A Fighter/Wizard also can mark using Scorching Burst or Thunderwave. If they take Scorching Burst or Thunderwave as their at-will from the multiclass paragon path, they can use one of those 2 powers every single turn as well, rather than just once an encounter.
The player's intepretation was completely correct.
The challenge specifically only requires that it be a creature you target, it does not require melee. The Dragonbreath targets every creature in the area, so it's legal.
This is opposed to the Cleave, which only *Targets* one creature, so you cannot use it to mark 2 creatures at once, since the 2nd creature is only part of the effect, not the target. However, they can Mark multiple targets using their Sweeping Blow.
A Fighter/Wizard also can mark using Scorching Burst or Thunderwave. If they take Scorching Burst or Thunderwave as their at-will from the multiclass paragon path, they can use one of those 2 powers every single turn as well, rather than just once an encounter.
The player's intepretation was completely correct.
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