A fair question, I'll think about it.
And I'm no mathematician, there are several guys on the boards here they know absolutely crazy math
Alchemy...Too Expensive?
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A fair question, I'll think about it.
And I'm no mathematician, there are several guys on the boards here they know absolutely crazy math
Don't overlook the magical consumables in the back of the book. Many alchemical items are overshadowed by magic items that are better at the same price, or even lower, so either alchemy is too weak or the consumables are to strong.
Saying that alchemical item prices are fair is, in many cases, similar to saying that magical consumables are underpriced. That's a slightly different point -- are consumables overpowered/underpriced? Both pricing schemes can't be right.
-- 77IM
Saying that alchemical item prices are fair is, in many cases, similar to saying that magical consumables are underpriced. That's a slightly different point -- are consumables overpowered/underpriced? Both pricing schemes can't be right.
-- 77IM
That One Guy
First Post
I want a Stalker0 Alchemy system.A fair question, I'll think about it.
And I'm no mathematician, there are several guys on the boards here they know absolutely crazy math
Kwalish Kid
Explorer
Hunh? I don't see it. Would you care to point out where this conclusion comes from?
Kwalish Kid
Explorer
Many of the magical consumables, though, are limited in their use by tier (1/2/3 per day unless milestone is achieved). Alchemical items have no such limitations.
Falling Icicle
Adventurer
Odd, I don't remember reading "these rules are intended for games without magic" anywhere in the book. Of course, I have been known to miss things that are in plain sight from time to time, so perhaps you would be so kind as to point it out to me?
SableWyvern
Cruel Despot
Given that the Alchemy feat is listed as an alternative option to Ritual Caster for Wizards and Clerics, it certainly seems to me like something designed to be used in conjunction with magic.
DerekSTheRed
Explorer
I was confused about the usefulness of the Alchemy subsystem as well. I was really considering it for my artificer, but I've since thought better of it. In order to be an alchemist, you have to get the feat, purchase a formula, and then actually create the item which costs the same as you would to buy it. It really should cost 1/5th the price to create the item which, if you sold it, would be the same price by RAW.
Yeah, it seems like we have an irrational rant on our hands. Don't think it's the races or classes in the FR player's guide, so what's left over? Feats?
Vayden
First Post
The point of taking the feat and paying for the rituals is flexibility. Sure, you could buy the alchemist's fire in town and head out. Cheaper, assuming that's what you need. Or you could learn several different rituals, then buy a couple hundred GP worth of alchemical components, get to the dungeon, scout out your foes, then pull back and whip up the exact alchemical items you need for the fight. I'm not saying it's a must-have or anything, but it certainly is a viable option, especially if you play in campaigns where you may not see a town for 4-5 sessions.
Incorrect - the ritual Alchemist's Fire costs 75 GP to learn - after that you can make a batch of the lowest level alchemist's fire for 20gp a shot whenever you have the components. Or you can buy a shot for 20gp at your friendly alchemy store.
In general, I think the pricing makes pretty good sense - they're actions that are completely un-limited by 4e's standard restrictions - you can use them at-will, you can use dozens in an encounter, and their effectiveness isn't based off any of your ability scores. They fit a really nice niche, and the price reflects that flexibility, not their straight up one-shot power.
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