Clark Peterson on 4E

[cangrejoide]

It's not the prof who needs to move on, it's the people he spoke of, jumping on every (imagined) critic of 4E (and 3E) who need to move on, and finally accept that not everyone likes the same things they like.

But the problem here is not that 4E needs changing or imrpovement( every RPG needs improvement , that is what house rules are for), but his choice of words.

We all know everybody likes different things, but because we like different things we can't go slamming another person for his likes or dislikes.

It's like saying:

Fenes likes Mecha.->I think Mecha is cheezy crap.->Fenes likes cheezy crap.

Get it now?


I wonder how different would it had been if he had said "Cheezy Tolkien crap" or "making 4E right by giving it its true soul with more Anime cinematic action".

 

[Fenes]

But the problem here is not that 4E needs changing or imrpovement( every RPG needs improvement , that is what house rules are for), but his choice of words.

We all know everybody likes different things, but because we like different things we can't go slamming another person for his likes or dislikes.

It's like saying:

Fenes likes Mecha.->I think Mecha is cheezy crap.->Fenes likes cheezy crap.

Get it now?


I wonder how different would it had been if he had said "Cheezy Tolkien crap" or "making 4E right by giving it its true soul with more Anime cinematic action".

The problem is that for a number of vocal posters, whatever criticism you post in whatever manner with regards to 3E or 4E is understood as "it's crap, and if you like it you are crap too".

 

[cangrejoide]

The problem is that for a number of vocal posters, whatever criticism you post in whatever manner with regards to 3E or 4E is understood as "it's crap, and if you like it you are crap too".

No.

The problem was that Clark posted:

Originally Posted by clark
Changing a miniature game back into a roleplaying game. Restoring the classic magic items and not being afraid of buffs. Taking out the cheesy anime crap that snuck into 4E. Putting back in the goodness of AD&D. Mmmmm, wouldnt that be cool? There are some really great things about 4E, but somewhere along the way it lost its soul.

(emphasis mine)


Clark has admitted his error and has publicly apologized in various occassions(Kudos to you Mr. Clark), how can you still be claiming otherwise?

Have you not been reading this thread? Or are you now talking about other threads?

 

[Fenes]

Have you not been reading this thread? Or are you now talking about other threads?

Other threads, the whole forum.

 

[cangrejoide]

Other threads, the whole forum.

Got any links?

 

[Fenes]

Got any links?

Did you read this thread? Did you read the forum? You can't post any critic of any system currently without some self-styled defenders trying to teach you how to "play it right".

 

[Henry]

I have a solution:

I close this thread and get everybody to chill out for a while. All I'm seeing on the past two pages is people dickering back and forth about How Clark said what he said, and not What he said; to boot, people are getting increasingly argumentative, and it's only a few posts away from people calling one another "elitists" and "munchkin kids."

Let's let this cool down a few days before someone decides to open it up again.