STAR TREK by JJ Abrams - new photos

[Brown Jenkin]

That and everything is a Russian invention, including RPG.

How dare you. Russians are just making things up, RPGs like everything else are Klingon inventions.

 

[Pbartender]

How dare you. Russians are just making things up, RPGs like everything else are Klingon inventions.

But didn't you know? Klingons were invented by a little old lady living in Novosibirsk.

 

[WhatGravitas]

How dare you. Russians are just making things up, RPGs like everything else are Klingon inventions.

Great. Now I have the mental image of Klingon nerds playing Blood & Battle in the engine room of a Bird of Prey.

Cheers, LT.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

That's kind of understandable, and it's a forgettable episode anyway.



Different scale in TOS and the new series. In TOS speed of the warp factor is factor^3*c. In TNG it was reworked because they felt that TOS episodes that used high warp speeds to generate tension got silly. For example, in the first season, Warp 8 is supposed to be the upper safe end, but in third season, the ship's going up to Warp 14 in some episodes (though not good).

In TNG, there's anew asymptotic warp scale where 10 is the maximum and by going at Warp 10, one is at all points in the universe at once, and it's generally unreachable.

Technically, Enterprise should use the TOS scale, but they buggered with so much else, so that's a minor nitpick.

Realistically though, warp speed always moves at the pace of plot.

Your Startrek Fu startles me not, Young Padawan... err... err... Ensign!
I knew of the scale change - Hey, I read the Technical Manual of the Enterprise. But the name change from Sol to Warp occurred sometimes during TOS in Germany. (without any scale change).

 

[DonTadow]

The potential here is particularly both attracting new viewers and long-term fans.

Imagine an episode telling a little of Picards life as Captain of the Stargazer - maybe the incident where Crusher (Beverlys husband) died - a story that is interesting in its own right, but was never told and the fans know about.

The most interesting episodes of Enterprise touched on things we already know basically (Vulcans were one of the first Federation members), but told us stories we didn't know (and Vulcans and Andorians hated each other, and the humans helped bringing them together)

The power of the internet. Your convincefu has me somewhat intrigued. I was die hard not going to see this movie. But reading some of the pros has driven me from hostile to indifferent. carry on. Best example I have heard of. I actually enjoyed some of enterprises stories.

I guess i hate the word reboot. If they are doing it in your sense then tell stories i have never heard, don't rewrite the ones I have... and don't give up on the future universe.

 

[Ed_Laprade]

Realistically though, warp speed always moves at the pace of plot.

Oh yeah. Some fan back in the day decided to figure out how realistic they were being with it and quickly discovered that it would have taken centuries to have gone to even half the places they went to. And let's not forget that the Big E was upgraded by aliens to travel at those high Warp speeds, but the next show had them plodding along at good ol' Warp 6 or so. (Instead of the ship being in dry dock with the R&D people tearing it apart to see how it was done!)

And I'm still waiting for the First Federation (Balok? Little Clint Howard hiding behind a big mask. The first one with 'corbomite'.) to get back to them. Their tech was way ahead of Kirk's Federation.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

The power of the internet. Your convincefu has me somewhat intrigued. I was die hard not going to see this movie. But reading some of the pros has driven me from hostile to indifferent. carry on. Best example I have heard of. I actually enjoyed some of enterprises stories.

This power of the internet - it seems to rarely work. But it's cool if it does.

I didn't like the idea of Enterprise at first. And it left a lot to be desired, but there were also highlights that made me think that maybe, just maybe there is a chance that a new series set after DS9 / Voyager is not the only option.

I guess i hate the word reboot. If they are doing it in your sense then tell stories i have never heard, don't rewrite the ones I have... and don't give up on the future universe.

I like the idea of retconning a little stuff, but keep the core of the story. (There is no need for a BSG-type re-imagination). As I said, there are inconsistencies in the Startrek Storyline. But instead of trying to "officially" fix them by rebooting everything, do it more subtle. For example - when did the eugenic wars happen? Was it the 3rd world war talked about in First Contact? Maybe just tell the story of these wars (or the war).

The Klingon "make-up" explanation was perhaps unnecessary, but it might be useful to "fix" the idea of the Romulans having no Warp Drive. Just use one of the fan explanations and go with it (my favorite one was that the Enterprise was looking for the typical signature of Matter/Anti-Matter reactors and didn't find them, missing the fact that Romulans rely on Quantum Singularities)

And the rest - there is still a lot to be explored - What was the reason for the Romulans retreat until that TNG episode where they were back? (There was a story in the works that got dropped, IIRC - can it be re-used?)

Of course, there are also some things I personally want to be removed entirely - most of the Voyager stories need at least a serious overhaul, if not removal...

 

[danzig138]

I am absolutely, completely buying Zach Quinto as a young Spock.

I've been watching Heroes, and I've actually caught myself thinking of him as Spock, and not Sylar, and that's obviously without having seen the new ST movie. I don't know. I'ts like I heard he was cast as Spock, and in my mind, it was as right and natural as Patrick Stewart being cast as Xavier.

I didn't even recognize Urban as Urban in the photos. Kirk does look awfully young though. As I see more pictures of him, I kind of want to punch him in the face.

But I often got that feeling with Shatner as well, so maybe he is a good choice.

If he'd had it from the beginning, with the same cast, I believe we'd have a far better opinion of the show

Word. The quality jump was super noticable. It still wasn't that great, but it was too late to save it. If that guy had had it from the beginning and was able to grow with it, I think the show might still be on.

I don't know. I'll probably go see this. I'm not excited, but I'm far from disgusted with the idea.

 

[Orius]

Oh yeah. Some fan back in the day decided to figure out how realistic they were being with it and quickly discovered that it would have taken centuries to have gone to even half the places they went to.

And I remember another fan doing the number crunching for the first episode of Enterprise who concluded that given the Warp factor and travel time, the Klingon Homeworld was located in the outer reaches of the solar system.

 

[horacethegrey]

Brand new trailer online, though I'm sure some of you have already seen it. Click on the Trailer 3 links here.