Keefe the Thief
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I´m sorry, but today i´ll have the sentence "you can fly better if you can fly, apparently" burned into my head. And i hope Dodge has been improved, otherwise WTF.
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Pathfinder 1E Pathfinder Sneak Peeks (Old thread)
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Betote
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In the preview it's said that it allows you to cast a metamagic spell without making it a full-round action.
Noir le Lotus
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According to the stats block, it allows the character to apply a metamagic feat to a spell at no cost ...
Mournblade94
Hero
I don't like that you lose a mirror image on a 'near miss' (i.e. miss by 5 or less).
The d20 roll is an abstract combat representation. Yes it easy to see that if you have an AC16 with chainmail and dex 12 that missing by 1-5 is armour. But how do you know it was armour and not dex.
I think in order to keep this mechanic it might be better to use the mages touch armour class rather than a miss of 5 or less.
What if a character can only miss the target on a 1? No matter what the mage is losing images?
The d20 roll is an abstract combat representation. Yes it easy to see that if you have an AC16 with chainmail and dex 12 that missing by 1-5 is armour. But how do you know it was armour and not dex.
I think in order to keep this mechanic it might be better to use the mages touch armour class rather than a miss of 5 or less.
What if a character can only miss the target on a 1? No matter what the mage is losing images?
Betote
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If you're against someone who can only miss on a 1, a 2nd-level spell isn't going to save you
resistor
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If your attack bonus is high enough as to only miss on a 1, then I doubt that 1 + Attack Bonus < AC - 5.
billd91
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It's better than the alternative in 3.5. The images there can have a substantially lower AC, by more than just 5 points. This will probably make mirror images more durable, particularly for higher level casters with better defenses.
Slightly concerned with the DC raising property of Seoni...Especially given Valeros that we saw before...
Seoni is level 10 (4 levels lower than Valeros) however, her 5th level spell has a DC of 22? Yikes....meaning Valeros needs to save on a 19? Against someone that is 4 levels LOWER? So not right...
Similarly, I'm also concerned with the added DC pumps available to her. +1 whenever she heightens a spell AND at 15th level, a +2 bonus...
When we went from 3.0 to 3.5, wasn't one of the big switches was nerfing the Archmage PrC so it couldn't pump up its DC as much?
That isn't going to play well in modules since PAizo likes using spellcasters and I can see optimization paths getting DCs reminiscent of the Archmage?
Seoni is level 10 (4 levels lower than Valeros) however, her 5th level spell has a DC of 22? Yikes....meaning Valeros needs to save on a 19? Against someone that is 4 levels LOWER? So not right...
Similarly, I'm also concerned with the added DC pumps available to her. +1 whenever she heightens a spell AND at 15th level, a +2 bonus...
When we went from 3.0 to 3.5, wasn't one of the big switches was nerfing the Archmage PrC so it couldn't pump up its DC as much?
That isn't going to play well in modules since PAizo likes using spellcasters and I can see optimization paths getting DCs reminiscent of the Archmage?
Mournblade94
Hero
If you're against someone who can only miss on a 1, a 2nd-level spell isn't going to save you
True, I just isolated it down to a single variable.
And I actually forgot this, because I house ruled the mirror image to its old 1st edition which was you lost a mirror image if you actually hit.
In any case, d20 roll modelling of combat is a very abstract concept, so I tend to dislike rules that draw equivalencies to the d20 having an effect other than hit, miss, or critical. (Note for DMing purposes I often narrate the drama depending on the "nearness" of a d20 roll but drama is not tied into a mechanical concept.)
BryonD
Hero
What DC raising property are you referring to?
DC = 10 + 5 (5th level spell) + 5 (Cha 20) +1 (Spell Focus) +1 (Greater Spell Focus) = 22
Exactly the same as 3.5. And not at all unreasonable, she has two feats dedicated to it.
On the other hand, it has already been pointed out that Valeros was built specifically to highlight certain new elements of the game and not as a max min. He has a really really low Will save. That is no reflection on this example. Particularly since Cone of Cold is a Ref save. He needs a 13. A 60% chance of failure doesn't seem unreasonable to me, and a different build could significantly cut into that.
