DCC #8 Mysteries of the Drow (CLOSED)

[s@squ@tch]

The totemist and were-wolverine make my head spin.

 

[HolyMan]

@Holyman: What is your stance upon Leadership w/ ECL? For example, Leadership in d20srd, does not make mention of ECL, relying on character level -- which makes the feat pretty useless for any character with an ECL penalty, such as a drow @ +2 -- I could only attract a 5th level cohort, or what I was thinking was another drow cohort, who would be basically 3rd level -- basically would be a liability.

It says inthe DMG a character must be 6th lvl

not that they have to have 6 class lvls

isn't ECL viewed as the Equivalent Character Level so a drow of say 4th lvl ECL6 would start attracting followers which drow would do quicker than other races to establish a power base or slaves

Did I screw up my first DM ruling I think thats how it reads anyway.

HM

 

[s@squ@tch]

Maybe I should rephrase my question:

Suppose my 7th level drow cleric takes the leadership feat at 6th level.

She is effectively ECL9, but only has 7 character levels.

As the feat appears to be written, she would use 7 as her character level, and therefore could only attract a cohort up to her current level -2, so that would be 5.

If that cohort was a drow, then he/she would have 3 character levels after the +2 ECL penalty.


On the other hand, if it was based upon ECL, then her cohort could have up to 7 character levels, or, if a drow, would be level 5, after the +2 ECL penalty.


Closest discussion regarding this topic I could find

 

[Dragonwriter]

You could if I knew what a DD was and thanks for all the info in the pms i have copy pasted them for reference material

HM

I think DD=Dimension Door

Correct. Sorry about that.

If ones amove action(long jump) and the other is a standard action(cast a spell) then that is possible to make that a charge is impossible though as charge is it's own action

The Great Holyman has spoken (hey don't look behind there)

Just what I was hoping for. (And Rhun, I do have that boost - Sudden Leap (Tiger Claw 1), but I don't ready it.)

 

[HolyMan]

Maybe I should rephrase my question:

Suppose my 7th level drow cleric takes the leadership feat at 6th level.

She is effectively ECL9, but only has 7 character levels.

As the feat appears to be written, she would use 7 as her character level, and therefore could only attract a cohort up to her current level -2, so that would be 5.

If that cohort was a drow, then he/she would have 3 character levels after the +2 ECL penalty.


On the other hand, if it was based upon ECL, then her cohort could have up to 7 character levels, or, if a drow, would be level 5, after the +2 ECL penalty.

Wouldn't it be wise to use just one way of describing it, say ECL for all accpects.

Why would you use charcter lvl to describe when you get the feat and then ECL as to what lvl cohort you can have.

you are effectively a character of lvl 9 so as I read leadership thats the stat you would use and a cohort of drow descent would be ECL7 again thats your "character level" -2 or am I reading something wrong about ECL maybe I should look that up?

HM

 

[Voadam]

By the RAW ECL is not CL.

SRD entry:

Level Adjustment

This line is included in the entries of creatures suitable for use as player characters or as cohorts (usually creatures with Intelligence scores of at least 3 and possessing opposable thumbs). Add this number to the creature’s total Hit Dice, including class levels, to get the creature’s effective character level (ECL). A character’s ECL affects the experience the character earns, the amount of experience the character must have before gaining a new level, and the character’s starting equipment.

I'd say RAW ECL only affects the things it explicitly calls out it affecting. Otherwise the character uses his character level the way he does for feat and ability score increase calculations.

 

[Maidhc O Casain]

Typically, character level refers to levels you've actually taken in classes. Otherwise, you'd use your ECL when figuring feats, HP, skills, etc. However, 'the most important rule' is that you can house rule anything you wish. If you're worried about the difficulty of the adventure, you could houserule that cohort levels are based on ECL rather than on CL. Sounds like this way makes more sense to you anyway . . .

 

[Voadam]

Bedford, doesn't the armor need some sort of a special feature to work with your change of size and body shape when you go into the large hybrid and animal form?

 

[HolyMan]

wish they never invented ECL... but heres an example of something i was thinking on

You have a Drow Priestess lvl 4(ECL 6), that I could see having a bodyguard say a Drow Fighter lvl 2(ECL4) looking at it this way all the numbers match but--

A lvl 4 priest couldn't get leadership due to not having a feat she would need to be lvl6 (ECL8) then take the feat she gets and make it Leadership

the need for a feat chumps the ECL in this way

But was looking over DMG after Voadam's post of lvl adjustment from MM
It has differences for monsters with one HD and those with multiple

It says that a monster with Hit Dice 1 or less, a level adjustment, and class levels adds its class levels, Hit Die, and level adjustment together when referring to table 3-2

Playing it this way makes a little sense A 1st lvl drow rogue is ECL 4 has all the drow abilities to make up the +2 LA, 1d6(Rogue)1st lvl, and 1d8 HD(humaniod)

And would have 6,000xp needing 10,000 for lvl five.

But in the MM it says a drow with PC class lvls adds +1 to it's CR why is that and not +2??

HM <---- is confused

 

[Rhun]

Ugh...that's too much math for this early in the morning. Need coffee.