Dandu
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I wasn't talking about Fireball. In fact, if you look at the text you quoted, wherein Planar Binding is discussed along with several other tactics, you will notice that there is more to magic than blasting.
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The issue with wizards and sorcerers
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Which are the same bloody spells you want banned, you bloody hypocrite. They are not broken just because you claim they are. You are the one who WANTS wizards restricted to crappy spells, like the version of knock wherein a wizard merely gains a +5 bonus to the lockpicking skill because of how "unfair" it is to the party rogue. Socialist.
Maybe nobody else wants to say this, but I'm fearless so I will:
You're a pretentious, insufferable prick, who clearly hates Dungeons and Dragons and has no business even posting about it. You hate wizard, and you think fighters are useless. You use the same tired, baseless arguments that are spewed by trolls, elitist larpers and roll-players that which are undeserving of anything more civilized than a punch to the face.
That is a god damned lie that I am sick of hearing being repeated over and over again!
Just because someone does it better does not make it useless.
Bye. I'm not even going to bother explaining. 30+ posts, many like this one, despite warnings in other threads. Folks, check this guy's profile to se a lesson on how not to be welcome at EN World.
Please do not respond to his insults.
If anyone is unclear, insulting and threatening people are both against EN World's rules.
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Summer-Knight925
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Did he just get crited with the ban-hammer? COOL!
and its all relative, wizards and sorcerers (why not add warmage, warlock, even druid to this list [yes, druids can get some cool spells like transmute rock to lava, 20d6? OMG!]) are no more powerful than a fighter
10d6 fireball....max 60 points
+3 flaming longsword, three attacks, 18 str (+4)...max 63, not to mention the chance of a crit
and thats just a fireball vs. longsowrd
lightening bolt vs. greatsword?
magic missile vs. dart? (for ye low levelers out thar!)
its all balanced, just read between the lines, look farther than what is simply infront of you, i can tell we have alot of hack-and-slash players here, look at the tomb of horrors(favorite OF ALL TIME), you had to think
or the new Crypt of the Devil Lich....my favored soul figured out all the riddles and such, but thats just roleplay and is irrelevent actually
a wizard has spells per day (max of 4 in any spell level) after that, theyre done...and thats if they prepared the good spells, or else its "My wizard is watching the battle looking for a worthy foe" lie...yeah, its a lie, your disintegrate spell, your save DC is what? 20? yeah, the fort. on that giant, the base save can beat that with a 2 on the d20
maybe its the fact people look at the base value, not the sum, but a fighter can use that vorpal sword they found, which kills more people then finger of death (statistics show that for every 5 people who die from a vorpal sword, 3 die from finger of death [totally bs stats btw])
so what it comes down to is this....
all classes are balanced, they wont work without the others, thats why they test, why there are rules for creating classes, so there is no god class, no bruce lee class (thats a monk at 20th lvl...just sayin) and no jedi....................atleast in the core books
so yeah....the reason they are seen as godlike is because when you hear wizard I hear gandalf...who (if the hobbits were 1st levels) was like...15th, and aragorn was 7th
in fiction they are seen as all powerful, and they are, but Bards dont write tales of wizards, they write of fighters, or rogues (or burglars like Bilbo)
wizards are powerful, but without the fighter to be in the dragons face, the wizard would be sold in tin cans sized for dragon claws, they need them, like everyone needs a rogue and everyone needs a cleric (or 2, thats always good) you can make do without a wizard, I mean...when they finally get powerful, youre fighting single powerful monsters, no longer hordes or orcs, back then the fighter would wade through like a Dawsin's Creek montage through a field, it wasnt fair, then at higher levels it seems unfair once more...this is how they balance
and its all relative, wizards and sorcerers (why not add warmage, warlock, even druid to this list [yes, druids can get some cool spells like transmute rock to lava, 20d6? OMG!]) are no more powerful than a fighter
10d6 fireball....max 60 points
+3 flaming longsword, three attacks, 18 str (+4)...max 63, not to mention the chance of a crit
and thats just a fireball vs. longsowrd
lightening bolt vs. greatsword?
magic missile vs. dart? (for ye low levelers out thar!)
its all balanced, just read between the lines, look farther than what is simply infront of you, i can tell we have alot of hack-and-slash players here, look at the tomb of horrors(favorite OF ALL TIME), you had to think
or the new Crypt of the Devil Lich....my favored soul figured out all the riddles and such, but thats just roleplay and is irrelevent actually
a wizard has spells per day (max of 4 in any spell level) after that, theyre done...and thats if they prepared the good spells, or else its "My wizard is watching the battle looking for a worthy foe" lie...yeah, its a lie, your disintegrate spell, your save DC is what? 20? yeah, the fort. on that giant, the base save can beat that with a 2 on the d20
maybe its the fact people look at the base value, not the sum, but a fighter can use that vorpal sword they found, which kills more people then finger of death (statistics show that for every 5 people who die from a vorpal sword, 3 die from finger of death [totally bs stats btw])
so what it comes down to is this....
all classes are balanced, they wont work without the others, thats why they test, why there are rules for creating classes, so there is no god class, no bruce lee class (thats a monk at 20th lvl...just sayin) and no jedi....................atleast in the core books
so yeah....the reason they are seen as godlike is because when you hear wizard I hear gandalf...who (if the hobbits were 1st levels) was like...15th, and aragorn was 7th
in fiction they are seen as all powerful, and they are, but Bards dont write tales of wizards, they write of fighters, or rogues (or burglars like Bilbo)
wizards are powerful, but without the fighter to be in the dragons face, the wizard would be sold in tin cans sized for dragon claws, they need them, like everyone needs a rogue and everyone needs a cleric (or 2, thats always good) you can make do without a wizard, I mean...when they finally get powerful, youre fighting single powerful monsters, no longer hordes or orcs, back then the fighter would wade through like a Dawsin's Creek montage through a field, it wasnt fair, then at higher levels it seems unfair once more...this is how they balance
Dandu
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What happens when you start looking at spells such as Enervation, Solid Fog, Magic Jar, Contact Other Plane, Planar Binding, Polymorph Any Object, Contingency, Shapechange, Time Stop, and Gate?
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Summer-Knight925
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when you look at those you read words, lol
jkjk
those spells make them...well worth doing?
and enervation is really only used by badguys (atleast for me, so dont yell if you use it because I really like that spell)
and timestop and gate are 9th level spells, by then its like "hm...i could freeze time, but I can also cause a 9.5 earthquake followed by a rainstorm of jellybeans and baby tears
what you get is spells that are powerful in the right circumstances
polymorph is good when the wizard BECOMES A FIGHTER
Gate is good when the DM didnt put a magic portal into the tower of demons so you can go fight Orcus, and planar binding is good when you need more fighters
really, a wizard is a force multiplyer, but whats any number times zero? or any number times 1?
jkjk
those spells make them...well worth doing?
and enervation is really only used by badguys (atleast for me, so dont yell if you use it because I really like that spell)
and timestop and gate are 9th level spells, by then its like "hm...i could freeze time, but I can also cause a 9.5 earthquake followed by a rainstorm of jellybeans and baby tears
what you get is spells that are powerful in the right circumstances
polymorph is good when the wizard BECOMES A FIGHTER
Gate is good when the DM didnt put a magic portal into the tower of demons so you can go fight Orcus, and planar binding is good when you need more fighters
really, a wizard is a force multiplyer, but whats any number times zero? or any number times 1?
