Cleon
Legend
That's the way I understood it, hence the Escape Artist check in the spell.
I like the EA check alone, since dragons usually have ridiculous saves.
Yes, but Reflex tends to be their weakest save, since most dragons have Dex 10.
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Yes, but Reflex tends to be their weakest save, since most dragons have Dex 10.
Shade
Monster Junkie
Cleon
Legend
The weakest among "awesome" is still great.
Well, it still sits poorly with me.
Does Freyar still think a Ref save is OK?
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
It doesn't have to be identical to the spell, which is why I suggested the Str check. But since you don't like that...
I guess I prefer the Ref save only to avoid, but I don't mind too much either way. The skill check could also be insanely high; it's just that dragons don't usually invest much in Escape Artist.
I guess I prefer the Ref save only to avoid, but I don't mind too much either way. The skill check could also be insanely high; it's just that dragons don't usually invest much in Escape Artist.
Cleon
Legend
Yes, I'd be OK with that. Give the DC of the Escape Artist / Reflex check a hefty circumstance bonus.
For example, masterwork manacles require a DC 35 Escape Artist check. If we set the bonus so a typical 10th level Undead Dragon Slayer's Wingbinding has that DC and even a CR-appropriate dragon (like, say, a Juvenile Red Dragon with a +10 Ref save) would have difficulty making that Ref save.
So, something like 10 plus 1/2 level plus [primary ability] plus a +10 bonus might give the numbers we need. We could have an "Improved Wingbinding" with improved range and DC if that seems inadequate for the big Wyrms.
Shade
Monster Junkie
I really don't care for the arbitrary +10.
Rather than the additional +10 bonus, how about just level (instead of 1/2 level)? I'd be willing to even go with character level (rather than class level) in this case.
Cleon
Legend
That'd be OK by me, except the Undead Dragon Slayer doesn't
Shade
Monster Junkie
Yes.
Cleon
Legend
Sounds promising. Let's plug that into the SA and see what it looks like.
