Homosexuality in your games

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Leviatham

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By Paco Garcia Jaen and first published in gmsmagazine.com

I don’t know if you know, but I am gay. My family knows. My friends know. My colleagues know. My readers know. The world knows. And that is how I like it. I have lived hiding. It is very, very difficult and very uncomfortable. Paranoia can be a terrible thing.

However, if you look at me, you wouldn’t know I am gay. I like to look like I like the men I like to look at. Like men. Because, you know, I am a man (trust me).

But not everyone is the same. There are a lot of people out there who act differently and who are a lot more flamboyant and outrageous in their mannerisms than me and not many people gives two hoots. At least not where I live. I know it’s not the same everywhere in the world. There are stupid people everywhere.

The subject of sexism in games is pretty hot. At least in the circles where I move, there is quite a vocal community of both men and women who are, basically, sick and fed up with the abuse of the male and female forms in art depictions and roles within a RPGs, fantasy and Sci-Fi art.

Robert Sullivan, aka The Grumpy Celt, shot an interesting video in which he proved, categorically, that most of the poses used in cartoons to depict women just look silly. As soon as a man adopt the pose of one of those females, he just looks stupid. And yet, not everyone would see those images of women as stupid.

The thing that frustrates me is that, no matter how many people become vocal about it, it keeps happening. Maybe is because many people in the games industry try to justify it with "it's what the public wants, so we have to give it to them", or maybe is because some artist pander towards a fantasy from the mind of someone who's got a part of that mind still stuck in puberty. I don't know.

The thing is that we still see chain mail bikinis. Do you people have any idea how uncomfortable they are? Seriously, after wearing them for a while, nipples hurt like mad!

So it is pretty clear that we have a long way to go. And don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with the female figure, and even chainmail bikinis when used in the right environment, for the right reasons and in the right way. It’s just that that doesn’t happen often enough.

I haven't met many people who will give a second thought to having a 20th level woman warrior in a game. My friends just don't care about the gender of my character and no one would even think of questioning her abilities.

However when I bring androgyny into the game, or homosexuality, or trans-gender characters, all hell breaks loose.

My last character, Andi, was an cleric elf worshipper of Andrasinia. Andrasinia is a goddess of love I created when I couldn't find something that would fit the character I wanted to create. Basically the goddess believes that physical love conquers all, gender is but a word and that seduction and persuasion counts for more than weapons unless you're really, really pissed off.

Admittedly, my character was very, very camp (because I didn't want my friends to know if he was male or female. To this day they don't know), but, suddenly, I couldn't use words like "swallow", or "shaft" or "erected". You can imagine what happened with I threw my spear at an orc at some point and asked if my spear had penetrated the enemy's armour. I'm still reminded of that and my friend now asks his children (15 and 13) to leave the room when we're playing.

It didn't matter that I wanted to have some kick ass character who would get enraged or gain goddess favour when he's been betrayed by a friend, or higher powers of controlling people over fighting. Nop!

In fact I was very happy with Andi died because the banter was getting so out of hand I really wasn't looking forward to play him anymore. The fact that it didn't matter how many orcs I killed and how well I did for the party, what was left behind was the mockery.

How many people don't bother exploring what having a gay character would be like? How many people are still scared of trying that out? And how much mockery and stupid banter do you have to put up with if you do?

So far the responses I've got have been in the lines of "I've never done it but it's never been an issue" or "I even wanted my character and Alistair to hit it up in Dragon Age", missing the point: You haven't considered playing a gay character but you have considered playing a female one. Why?

When trying to run a lesbian character, as far as my experience goes, people expect you'll have a butch "tomboy" of a woman. One who will crack nuts between her thumb and her middle finger. Of course this might be different for you.

There doesn't seem to be a middle level like there is in our real world in which if you're gay you're just nothing out of the ordinary, you just happen to feel attracted to the same gender. Big deal!

And homosexuality gets largely ignored in world creation too. There don't seem to be any consequences to homosexuality in word creation. Rarely do you find a court with two kings. Or with a king and a prince-consort. Or a queen and a princess-consort.

I am happy that sexism is getting the attention it deserves, and that some artists, companies and writers are actually doing something about it. But is this the reaction to the changes we see in the real world, or are they happening simply because people are pumping up the pressure?

Why are we readier to accept and/or play a female character than a transgender or a gay one?Are we really as open minded and tolerant as we like to believe?
 

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Are we really as open minded and tolerant as we like to believe?

No, not yet. But sometimes it depends on the totality of your environment.

I'm a straight male, and I've played a couple of bisexual female PCs in some groups from long ago, and it wasn't a problem.

A really good friend of mine in another group was an out gay, and he preferred playing female elves. Often quite campy- even made campy pop culture references. No problems.

Another campy PC I encountered was in HS, but it was done out of pure mockery of the game, and the player didn't stay long.

However, I get odd looks from some of my current group- a fairly politically conservative bunch- when I play straight females. One DM even asked if the PCs female gender was essential to the concept (it was).
 

I'll probably step in something now that this can of worms is open.

It's going to take awhile before the world, or at least some chunk of it doesn't objectify women and have gender preference bias issues. I'd say society is slowly getting there. As one congressman admitted on why he changed his stance on gays, his kids told him "it doesn't matter anymore."

For some folks, once they get the message that they don't have to hate gays or whatever, they are OK. to them, it was just a source of tasteless jokes.

I spose that sucks if you were the butt of those jokes or worse, but that's humanity.

That said, it's one thing to accept gay people, it's another to sit through another player trying to gay up an NPC. I suppose gay folks aren't entertained by straight relations either.

But then, most players I ever played with past high school aren't trying to sex up anybody in the game. We're there to kill monsters, take their stuff, quip one liners, look bad-ass, and avenge the loss of fictional love ones to show our emotional side.

to us un-enlightened folk, gay is about sex. Since we don't do sex in our games, gay also isn't in our games.

That's got nothing to do with not picking on gay people, letting them hold hands in public, get married, and all the other stuff they want to do that other people get to do.

As I've generalized and like Dave Barry, I don't care, there are plenty of folks who do have these elements in their games. Good for them. There's probably some of them that are just creepy, some are just honest explorations of character, and others just good acting.

But I'm betting there's lots of people who just don't get into that stuff in their RPGs. And that shouldn't be seen as being anti-gay. Sex is a private topic, at best reserved for bad jokes. As such, most RPG groups don't go near the topic in any serious way.
 

to us un-enlightened folk, gay is about sex. Since we don't do sex in our games, gay also isn't in our games.

I wrote a much longer reply that covered much the points as Janx, but this pair of sentences pretty much sums it up for my experience.

Romance, sex, sexuality, and love RARELY show up in our games. It's not that we don't want gay characters in our games (I can recall one gay male PC and one gay male NPC). It's just that a character's sexuality (hell, even gender identity for that matter) isn't important to what we do: kill orcs and take gold and save the world from evil.
 

In some of my groups, sex related comments can get somewhat out of hand (like the spear penetration comment would probably cause jokes in any case). Those comments come from males and females, from homosexuals and straights. I have to reign them in every now and then so we can continue. In another game, we do have prostitute PCs in the group so the comments (in game, too) can get quite explicit, too.

Gender has not been an issue anywhere for quite some time. And yeah, we do have homosexuality in the game. In fact, a game I'm story-houring right now shows quite enough of it as of last session. It kind of surprised me when our fat PC (we don't quite adhere to the 'all heroes must be athletes' idea) happened to be gay. The girl playing him hadn't planned it either, it just so happened during the session that the guy had to explain to someone else in the group why two female servants of a noble started kissing and were hiding in a drawer.

As none of this has to do with the plot(s) I'm not sure if there is ever going to be a follow up. I hope so, though. Would be interesting if another PC turned out to be homophobic for some reason. Or if the other PCs think he is just not into women because he wouldn't get a girl with his body shape.

So, acceptance isn't usually an issue in my groups. Maybe there would be with a transgender PC, I don't think we had that happen yet.
 

to us un-enlightened folk, gay is about sex. Since we don't do sex in our games, gay also isn't in our games.

As such, most RPG groups don't go near the topic in any serious way.

I doubt that. Except for the groups I had with children in them, sex was always a factor in one way or the other. And if it is just the barbarian stuck in the brothel again so we had to drag him out.

It influences the game in some way = serious enough for me.
 

Why are we readier to accept and/or play a female character than a transgender or a gay one?
Because we're more familiar with the concept. Because it's a better fit for the character we envision.
Leviatham said:
Are we really as open minded and tolerant as we like to believe?
I'm exactly as open minded and tolerant as I'd like to believe. I think.

I think the notion that "we should make a push to include more gay PCs in our games, because otherwise we're not open minded or tolerant" is a bit silly, though. You'd be hard pressed to make a credible claim that preferring to play certain types of characters (and not others) is equivalent to not being open minded or tolerant. If you're not respecting their preferences, then you're intolerant. If you're not careful, you aren't far from saying that having sexual preferences of any kind at all makes us close-minded or intolerant. After all, preferences are preferences. Nobody else telling me what I should prefer (for whatever reason) is likely to make that change.

To me, being open-minded and tolerant is absolutely hinged on letting players play the kinds of PCs that they want to play, and rolling with it no matter what they pick, rather than trying to force some kind of artificial tokenism, or something.
 

I have no problem with gay players, gay characters, or any kind of that aspect of it in the game. People do what they want and play what they want and if it's fun for them and the group, go for it.

I don't roleplay out romance or any kind of sexuality in my games because, frankly, I think it's dorkish to do so. That's just me though. I'm sure that many fine roleplayers enjoy the challenge of wooing each other with their regal wit and playing a game of cat-and-mouse, when in reality, it's two fat dudes belching out their chips and soda down their greased-stained t-shirts and rolling a d20 for their Charisma check. To me, straight or gay, not fun and boring. Sorry if I can't suspend my disbelief and just prefer to kill things and take their money.

But whatever works for people and if they have fun with it, go for it!
 

Sexuality is not something that comes up in the games i've run or played in. The closest thing that comes up is occasionally a player will try to have their character find a brothel and when I DM that stuff quickly gets passed over. Though once I did have a player, a guy, want to play a female halfling who used their "womanly charms" and some magic to always try to get what they wanted. That pretty much ended that game becuase the player wanted to go into details and no one else wanted that.

...suddenly, I couldn't use words like "swallow", or "shaft" or "erected". You can imagine what happened with I threw my spear at an orc at some point and asked if my spear had penetrated the enemy's armour...

I can't speak for anyone else on the boards but that sounds rather typical of a night of gaming. Hell it doesn't even need to be RPGs it could be boardgames, video games or even sports. I can't mention rabbits, hand grenades, peasants or guys named Tim either. Joking with friends seems to be pretty normal. Honestly the only time that the table was less vulgar was when we played with our openly gay friend. I figured we just toned it down because we didn't want to hurt him, not because of his sexuality but because he was our friend.
 

I've had at least one gay character in a game I ran and have run a potential gay romance subplot in another. None of that bothers me. Romance doesn't come up that often in the games I run, though sex does more often (since we do have a halfling barbarian cosplay gigolo in the group - I'm not kidding).

Interestingly, the gay character in one of my campaigns was a gay male police pilot in Cyberpunk 2020. He was played by a female player who was in a heterosexual relationship at the time, but she came out of the closet as a lesbian the following year. I have to wonder if she was starting to explore some sexuality issues via role playing. If so, I do feel a bit honored she trusted me enough to feel comfortable doing so in a game I was running.
 

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