Challenge Accepted!

[Dannyalcatraz]

I am testing my ability outside of my home group to see if my system can still adapt as well is done in my own personal circles.

Plus there are those who might have fun with the challenge itself.

You’re not going to get good data. Your method as proposed in this thread will only show you how YOU interact with your system. That’s going to skew your results. You don’t know where your blind spots are; you don’t know what aspects of your system are harder to understand for people who didn’t design it.

Pre-publication, if you want to see if your system is as robust as you claim, you need the input of people other than you and your inner circle.

If you want to know if others will have fun using your system, you need to let others use some form of it. Otherwise, all you’re going to see is how YOU think someone else who isn’t you would like things. That’s some nifty mind-reading.

A real-world illustration:

In my Criminal Law class, the professor was fresh off a gig helping legislators rewrite sections of the Texas Criminal Law Code. IOW, he knew this stuff cold.

One day in class, he was interacting with a student who was ESL, and she interpreted a statute differently than he did…and differently than most native speakers probably would.

But instead of simply correcting her, he stopped. He went quiet as he read and reread the statute as she interpreted the language. After about 5-10 minutes of silence, he addressed the class: her interpretation relied on a less common use of the vocabulary in a particular passage, but it was a completely valid one. As such, a good attorney could make an assertion in court using that reading and win. That, he told us, was a legal train wreck waiting to happen, so as soon as class was over, he had a ton of phone calls to make.

That young lady changed the state’s law with her alternative understanding of the language.

 

[1QD]

Ok, so that is your interpretation of the characters in English. Great. Now are you going to show how to build them in your system and explain how they do stuff? Give us their character sheets, please

Oh, many of these abilities are 1st lvl abilities, they get them for taking the profession, or in some cases they are racial in nature. These mechanics are in the book. The song of Charm, might be the exception, as it is pretty powerful, but then again having 1 song at 1st lvl is likely. As far as handing you character sheets, I will not at this time. As I stated before, I am still checking this community out to see if it is a good fit. A bunch of people demmanding free stuff while at the same time coming at me...well may not be the best approach.

 

[Deset Gled]

A mechanical tinker. Builds small weapons like automatons, self-driving catapult, and walking bombs.

A martial artist. Powerful hands, fast feet, impossible to hit. Think Bruce Lee.

Snow White. Animals do her bidding without question. Fairest of all the land.

The hard part: no magic. The tinker has only his tools and brains. The martial artist relies only his body, no superpowers or psychic abilities. Animals listen to Snow White purely by their choice, not because they are charmed. Any character is easy when you just say "a wizard did it" or "their god answered answered their prayers".

A bunch of people demmanding free stuff while at the same time coming at me...well may not be the best approach.

You do get that trying to recruit a community on a message board without giving any info about the game is literally demanding people's time for free, right? Not to mention the costs of running the forums, where you pointedly have not paid to be a member.

 

[The Soloist]

As I stated before, I am still checking this community out to see if it is a good fit. A bunch of people demmanding free stuff while at the same time coming at me...well may not be the best approach.

And we are checking if you are a good fit for us. In 45 years of playing RPGs, and as someone who worked in marketing all his life, I've never seen such bizarre, secretive and inept attempt at launching an RPG.

 

[1QD]

You’re not going to get good data. Your method as proposed in this thread will only show you how YOU interact with your system. That’s going to skew your results. You don’t know where your blind spots are; you don’t know what aspects of your system are harder to understand for people who didn’t design it.

Pre-publication, if you want to see if your system is as robust as you claim, you need the input of people other than you and your inner circle.

If you want to know if others will have fun using your system, you need to let others use some form of it. Otherwise, all you’re going to see is how YOU think someone else who isn’t you would like things. That’s some nifty mind-reading.

A real-world illustration:

In my Criminal Law class, the professor was fresh off a gig helping legislators rewrite sections of the Texas Criminal Law Code. IOW, he knew this stuff cold.

One day in class, he was interacting with a student who was ESL, and she interpreted a statute differently than he did…and differently than most native speakers probably would.

But instead of simply correcting her, he stopped. He went quiet as he read and reread the statute as she interpreted the language. After about 5-10 minutes of silence, he addressed the class: her interpretation relied on a less common use of the vocabulary in a particular passage, but it was a completely valid one. As such, a good attorney could make an assertion in court using that reading and win. That, he told us, was a legal train wreck waiting to happen, so as soon as class was over, he had a ton of phone calls to make.

That young lady changed the state’s law with her alternative understanding of the language.

Yes, I completely understand where you are coming from. I too have had moments during my design just like this.
My GF suffers from aphantasia, meaning she does not see mental pictures like I do. I see movies and 3d renders in my head. She works in concepts. That realization alone plays a large part in how I run games. Oddly enough even the use of a gaming board is still difficult for some with this condition.

She is good with concepts and often comes up with great ideas out of left field. She also has added more practical aspects, like where in the book do I find XXX? After years with the book I knew where everything was, she was new and did not. So Page reference, a no brainer really, was born, and the book continued to evolve. I have been working on this book for 26 years, and the design was meant to make things, intuitive, A mechanic in one place works simularily throughout the book with different mechanics.

That said, yes it needs to be tested outside of my group. But I want it in the right hands. I want it with the right people. I also plan on being there when I do eventually go to market, by offering my services to buyers, so as to help them experience the game, and learn the ropes. But not before I find a community. When I posted this feed my goal was to encourage interest. The people who jumped up and said, yes me! I will try and stump you! Those people have the spirit I am looking for. The people who came at me with hostility, I do not have time for. Questions are fair, criticism is fair, hostility? I just don't have time.

As fair as example sheets and free stuff, I am hesitant for a few reasons. Several people have spoken about taking other peoples mechanics. I spent 26 years doing the opposite. Also if people are gonna show hostility, why would I grant them anything? Lastly I am taking my time, getting a feel for the place, I am not trying to ram anything down anyones throat.

Also , about not getting good data. I agree that if it was for different data, then yes. But my point was whether or not I could find a way to meet my own challenge. If someone can stump me, good? It either means I have work to do, or the request is beyond the scope of my game. For example, galaxy sized entities might break my rules a bit lol.

 

[1QD]

And we are checking if you are a good fit for us. In 45 years of playing RPGs, and as someone who worked in marketing all his life, I've never seen such bizarre, secretive and inept attempt at launching an RPG.

Ah yes, because I wouldn't give you my name yes? And my hesitancy comes from interactions just like yours. You didn't get your way, as I politely declined and so you withdrew, only to throw criticism on a feed asking for participation. Is it any wonder that I hesitate? I have stated repeatedly I am here for community, both to get to know the current one, and to develope my own at some point. This is less about marketing and more about a home for my game. Once I know I am not with a bunch of reddit style engagers, I might be tempted to release more info. But the majority of my actions have been to test the waters first.

 

[cranberry]

Because I have not decided if this is the community I wish to interact with on that level. At least not yet. As mentioned I am investigating the community.

IMHO, you handled the marketing of your game poorly. And your attempts at damage control do not seem to be having the desired effect.

I'm not sure if there is a path to restoring the trust of the community for you.

 

[sevenbastard]

I am testing my ability outside of my home group to see if my system can still adapt as well is done in my own personal circles.

Thats fair. If you only get charachter concepts from 8or so regular players then that's a small sample size and its important to understand what other players may want and if you can meet there goals.....

But you are asking for free help and giving literally nothing in return, not even a glance at a character sheet.

 

[1QD]

A mechanical tinker. Builds small weapons like automatons, self-driving catapult, and walking bombs.

Yes you call this an inventor in my game, and everything you asked for is possible. The constructs might still be more easily made with magic, as taking a spirit and binding it to a construct body is easier that way. Alternatively you could use tech to trap a spiritand force the spirit into the construct body...but I would see an oppertunity to RP it wanting to work against you.

A martial artist. Powerful hands, fast feet, impossible to hit. Think Bruce Lee.

You are talking dragon style martial arts. Already done

Snow White. Animals do her bidding without question. Fairest of all the land.

The hard part: no magic. The tinker has only his tools and brains. The martial artist relies only his body, no superpowers or psychic abilities. Animals listen to Snow White purely by their choice, not because they are charmed. Any character is easy when you just say "a wizard did it" or "their god answered answered their prayers".

Snow white is a Nymph. Her natural beauty is all she needs, as this is innate to her.

You do get that trying to recruit a community on a message board without giving any info about the game is literally demanding people's time for free, right? Not to mention the costs of running the forums, where you pointedly have not paid to be a member.

I thought peoples time was voluntary. Meaning you choose to jump on this feed and leave a reply....also wasn't the point to this forum to discuss RPG's?

As far as paying to be a member, I am not informed as to the costs involved. Being the situation that it is not mine to run, I think it fair to not pay for something that I only joined, as other have put it, four days ago. Part of being a good fit is that I am still waiting to see if there is value first. If I am unwelcome here, then there seems little sense to pay for hostile reactions.

 

[Deset Gled]

I thought peoples time was voluntary. Meaning you choose to jump on this feed and leave a reply....also wasn't the point to this forum to discuss RPG's?

It seems that you view other people's time as voluntary (and therefore without value), but have also stated multiple times that you are testing this community to see if we're worth your time and effort.

I would recommend meditating on that for a while.