Fighters vs. Spellcasters (a case for fighters.)

[TwoSix]

Although Marvel Heroic RP shows that this needn't be the case. All you have to do is change the action resolution paradigm.

I think N'raac's use of the phrase "simulate the genre" may be extra relevant here.

 

[cross ofth carpenter]

We're dealing with 17+ level characters......If the Ranger fires his full complement of manifested arrows, he awakes to a find his quiver still full.

I would like to commemorate the 1000th post in this thread, posted by Nagol today (October 11, 2013) at 9:15 AM eastern time.

 

[N'raac]

I would like to commemorate the 1000th post in this thread, posted by Nagol today (October 11, 2013) at 9:15 AM eastern time.

Well over 1,000 posts - clearly, people really want this thread!

 

[TwoSix]

Well over 1,000 posts - clearly, people really want this thread!

I wonder if Rogue vs Ranger (a case for rogues) would stir up as much controversy.

 

[sheadunne]

I wonder if Rogue vs Ranger (a case for rogues) would stir up as much controversy.

Funny. Not to derail the already derail thread but I don't like the 3.5 Ranger or the PF Rogue, but did enjoy the 3.5 Rogue and the PF Ranger. Go figure.

 

[TwoSix]

Funny. Not to derail the already derail thread but I don't like the 3.5 Ranger or the PF Rogue, but did enjoy the 3.5 Rogue and the PF Ranger. Go figure.

Rangers: spells or no spells?

 

[sheadunne]

Rangers: spells or no spells?

No spells preferably, I never use them much when I have them.

 

[Ahnehnois]

I wonder if Rogue vs Ranger (a case for rogues) would stir up as much controversy.

I'll make that case any day.

 

[TwoSix]

I'll make that case any day.

I'm not a wild fan of either, honestly. If I want a sneak-attacking skill monkey, I'd go Spellthief/Diviner/Unseen Seer with Master Spellthief. For a purely martial sneak attacker, I like Swashbuckler 16/Rogue 4 with Daring Outlaw.

With ranger, I'd go Ranger3/Scout3, take Swift Hunter, than finish up at Ranger 16/Scout 4. Or if I wanted to do a more mystical woodsman bent, I like taking Druid and using the Unearthed Arcana class features to trade wild shape, armor proficiency, an animal companion, and spontaneous summons for barbarian rage, fast movement twice, monk Wis to AC, ranger favored enemy and ranger tracking. I trade full BAB and extra skill points for better spells and some cool extras. I played that guy for two sessions, one of my favorite PCs ever.

 

[Wicht]

Fair points. I entirely agree. But many system mastery/system-is-broken examples rely on splat books to argue their case. You could also argue that errata aren't good enough either, as many people who buy early printings are unaware of these. Others still don't have access to Sage Advice articles or other sources of correction and elaboration.

But the thing I take from all of this is envy of Wicht. He doesn't need to buy the books at all; he can simply bloody channel them.

I feel vindicated.

In fairness, I have the 3.0 Manual of the Planes, but its been some years since I read it. But the ruling makes sense in the spirit of the magic system, and the idea that when you pay for a 1 use item, you should get 1 use out of it.