Will there be a 4.75 a la Pathfinder?

[Psyga315]

I began thinking this sometime before the starter set for 5th Edition was released. Now that 4th Edition is officially done, would history repeat itself and people begin to create their own version of it like how Paizo did Pathfinder?

I'm probably thinking it won't happen, as Paizo was able to do 3.75/Pathfinder because of the OGL, and from what I hear, Pathfinder's gonna become its own beast soon without relying on its 3.5 routes. It would be interesting to see something like that happening though.

 

[Dungeoneer]

I began thinking this sometime before the starter set for 5th Edition was released. Now that 4th Edition is officially done, would history repeat itself and people begin to create their own version of it like how Paizo did Pathfinder?

I'm probably thinking it won't happen, as Paizo was able to do 3.75/Pathfinder because of the OGL, and from what I hear, Pathfinder's gonna become its own beast soon without relying on its 3.5 routes. It would be interesting to see something like that happening though.

So, I guess you haven't heard of 13th Age?

 

[Obryn]

So, I guess you haven't heard of 13th Age?

13A is a lot more a 3.75 than a 4.75

 

[TerraDave]

There are is at least one person who has been working on it.

Curious to see if they post here.

 

[jodyjohnson]

With DDI I think 4.75 will be about as viable as the existing 3rd party publications. Which IMO was marginal.

I'd keep playing 4e no problem with MM3 monster math, reduced HP, and increased encounters per day and 'encounters' per Encounter. Plus maybe a ban on Frost-cheese and a DM encouragement away from Interrupt and Minor Action Attack powers.

A few of the exciting 5e-ism could be ported directly into 4e with no Edition revision needed.

 

[Dungeoneer]

13A is a lot more a 3.75 than a 4.75

That's your opinion, but as someone coming right out of 4e it directly scratches my itch.

 

[MoonSong]

I myself have been working on a "math clone" of 4e, a game that could in theory be compatible enough to allow a reasonably optimized 4e PC among native characters without conversion (or 4e monsters), but being built from the ground up and using and entirely original set of classes, races and monsters. I know that potential market is limited, but it could allow a way to keep extending the game without infringing on WotC.

 

[Tony Vargas]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: the GSL that allows 3pp 4e products is /very/ different from the OGL that enabled Pathfinder. A 3pp wanting to do a 4.75 would have to actually sign up to do it with WotC, and WotC could pull that license and kill the product at any time. The GSL is also subject to be pulled, entirely, ending any vestiges of support for 4e, completely. So anyone trying it would have to be a very gutsy 'nothing to lose' type, and how likely is that kind of effort to produce a worthy successor?

Tangent: No, 13A is in no way a 4e-clone or successor. Like 5e, it's a step backward from 4e towards earlier eds, just a smaller step. Actually, you could start a lot of statements about 13A with 'like 5e,' without being unfair, because the two, though quite different in execution and attitude, really /do/ a lot of similar things for a lot of the same reasons. Well, it wouldn't be entirely fair, since 13A was first.

 

[GrumpyGamer]

I will join the chorus, and say by all accounts 13th age already fills this need nicely. It might not have the same compatibility that PF had with 3.5, but it does a great job of extending the 4e mechanics into a living product.

 

[GrumpyGamer]

Tangent: No, 13A is in no way a 4e-clone or successor. Like 5e, it's a step backward from 4e towards earlier eds, just a smaller step. Actually, you could start a lot of statements about 13A with 'like 5e,' without being unfair, because the two, though quite different in execution and attitude, really /do/ a lot of the same things for a lot of the same reasons. Well, it wouldn't be entirely fair, since 13A was first.

I am curious about your thoughts here. 13th age shrinks the number of levels and does share some role playing hooks with 5e, but I don't see these two points as a step back... just different (it is not a clone).