D&D 5E My Crazy Theory about 2015 5e

[TwoSix]

If you want an example of what "incompleteness" looks like in a ruleset, take a look at Page 42 in the D&D4 DMG. That is what it looks like when a design team has phoned something in.

Oh my.

 

[DEFCON 1]

Oh my.

Yeah... just ignore it. The fact that someone hates something that others have felt was one of the best and most useful things in the game is not surprising, nor something that needs to be defended. DMZ2112 will never be convinced Pg 42 was worthwhile, and those that used it religiously will ever be convinced it was anything other than the keystone to their game.

Which pretty much is the same as almost every other rules discussion ever.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

What was page 42?

 

[TwoSix]

Yeah... just ignore it. The fact that someone hates something that others have felt was one of the best and most useful things in the game is not surprising, nor something that needs to be defended. DMZ2112 will never be convinced Pg 42 was worthwhile, and those that used it religiously will ever be convinced it was anything other than the keystone to their game.

Which pretty much is the same as almost every other rules discussion ever.

Oh, ok, missed that had been a personal debate at some point. As a 4colyte, I'm well aware as to the value of pg 42.

 

[DMZ2112]

Yeah... just ignore it. The fact that someone hates something that others have felt was one of the best and most useful things in the game is not surprising, nor something that needs to be defended. DMZ2112 will never be convinced Pg 42 was worthwhile, and those that used it religiously will ever be convinced it was anything other than the keystone to their game.

It's not the concept I hate -- I think Rule Zero is critical to any successful roleplaying venture, including D&D5. If you used a lot of Page 42 in D&D4, that is great. But if I had been designing D&D4, I would have given you a bigger and better toolbox than a pep talk and a DC table. I think D&D5 gives us that toolbox, and I'm glad to see it.

Which pretty much is the same as almost every other rules discussion ever.

Yuuup.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Did that page have the answer to life, the universe, and everything?

 

[Remathilis]

What was page 42?

The page in the 4e DMG that has the improv rules on it. Some think it proves 4e's adaptability, while others think it is an inferior tack on to 4e's powers system.

 

[DMZ2112]

What was page 42?

http://waxbanks.typepad.com/blog/2010/01/dd-pyramid-of-shadows-reviewed.html

Look under the heading "As for 4e itself...". This guy was a big proponent back in 2010, apparently, but that's not important. The important thing is the table image I would get in trouble for posting here.

Did that page have the answer to life, the universe, and everything?

I once thought so.

 

[MoonSong]

Did that page have the answer to life, the universe, and everything?

Yes it did, it fills out the holes in the stunt system fairly well, allows for improvisation and if you abuse it enough you'll convince the DM that maybe trying PF is a good idea and less work for him in the long run.

 

[DEFCON 1]

What was page 42?

A chart in 4E that gave information on the potential middle-of-the-road attack and damage bonuses at each level so that if someone improvised an action, the DM had some idea of what kind of bonus or damage to assign to it that would not be out of line or unbalanced.

Was it a bare bones kind of chart with little "instruction" on all the different ways it could be applied or used? Sure. But for what it was there for (just giving DMs a good basis for an average attack roll or damage by level) it more than served its purpose. So much so that we had complaints here on the boards that a similar breakdown of "expected attacks and damage" for 5E was not in the MM because it would have helped folks design their own monsters and such.