D&D 5E A Board Game style Release Schedule

[Manchu]

-I want a Coke.
-Have a Pepsi.
-It is not Coke.
-It is brown water with sugar and caffeine.
-But not Coke.
-It is the same!
-Not the same taste.
-You're being irrational.
-Soft drinks make us fat, melt our teeth and who knows what. Rationality doesn't matter.

DRINK. THE. PEPSI. FRIEND.

 

[Sailor Moon]

I'm sorry but I'm hungry for a whole meal and all Wizards keeps giving me is breadcrumbs.

 

[Sadras]

I'm sorry but I'm hungry for a whole meal and all Wizards keeps giving me is breadcrumbs.

In a shallow dish, whisk eggs with teaspoon salt; let stand 5 minutes. In another shallow dish, season flour with 1/4 teaspoon salt. In a third shallow dish, season breadcrumbs with 1 teaspoon salt.

In a large cast-iron skillet or other heavy deep skillet, heat oil over medium. Meanwhile, pat chicken dry with paper towels. Coat in flour, shaking off excess, then dip in egg (letting excess drip off). Dredge in breadcrumbs, turning twice and patting to adhere.

Increase heat to medium-high. Working in batches, add chicken to skillet; cook, gently shaking skillet occasionally, until chicken is browned, about 4 minutes. Turn with tongs; cook until browned and opaque throughout, 2 to 3 minutes more (if browning too quickly, lower heat). Between batches, skim off brown crumbs from oil with a slotted spoon. Drain chicken on paper towels; season with salt.

Serve the above with mash and some Greek salad.

 

[Jester David]

Seems closer to a strawmand than anything else.

Pot & kettle.

I'm tired of people saying that people always complain and are not satisfied. Critics are legitimate. Especially the ones about the lack of support WotC is offering its RPG. It is completely accurate. The RPG line is not supported and the future doesn't look positive for it. Maybe in a year it will look better, but not now.

Except, as my original thread postulates, the complaint ISN'T legitimate as there is valid reasons to limit and constrain support.

If you didn't want to read those critics, you shouldn't of started a thread that you knew would draw them. Seriously. I thought this subject was dead until late April. You know, after PoA is released and WotC still doesn't announce any up coming products.

I'm not going to self-censor my threads and ideas because people disagree with me.
I thought the idea of comparing and equating D&D expansions to hobby board game exoansions was different and interesting enough to warrant discussion.

 

[Mistwell]

I didn't say it was.

Nice touch with the quotation mark, but you're contradicting yourself. When conversion notes are released, when you need to convert a product, you're outside the current edition.

And now you're not reading what you're quoting. Read what you linked to again. I said "which are incredibly easy to adapt" for the playtest adventures. The conversion notes is for ACTUAL older edition modules which they released conversion notes for. Two different things. And as I said before, it's incredibly easy to adapt the playtest adventures to current 5e rules - totally unlike converting a past edition adventure.

I'm not those people.

I find this ironic. Saying 5e has only been out for 3 months is very arbitrary. 5e has been out since July. Far more than three months. It seems your arbitrary line has been made to defend the lack of support more than to reflect the actual release of 5e. Can I prove it? Well no, sadly I lost my telepathic powers in Nam. But it is obvious. And ironic.

You personally constantly have talked about "the core rules" versus "non-core rules" in your history here at EW. It's not arbitrary at all to start counting when "the core rules" have come out. Saying it's been out since July is actually more arbitrary, as that is just the Starter Set and includes ZERO core rules books. Also, apparently I am debating Alanis Morissette, as you don't know what the word ironic means.

 

[Mistwell]

Looking at the date of the first review on the Paizo site is often a good clue.

They were releasing 64-page campaign books every 2-3 months at that time and 32-page player companions every other month. Plus the APs and *maybe* a module. As much as 160-odd pages plus the APs and as little as 120-odd. And they *might* have done a smaller adventure module during that time (back when they were still doing small adventures.)

Those were still mostly fluff. They were still doing the race books at that time (if I had to guess I'd say Gnomes of Golarion or Sargava the Lost Colony), so there were 2-6 pages of mechanics in the 32-page book. And the Campaign setting books were likely a Monsters Revisited book (the mechanics really being a half-dozen NPCs) or a guide to a region.

So that seems like roughly a similar amount of content they were producing at roughly the same time in their history, doesn't it? I don't recall anyone ever claiming their release schedule was too slow, much less claim it was harming Pathfinder it was so slow.

 

[Mistwell]

I'm tired of people saying that people always complain and are not satisfied.

Now see, THAT is irony.

 

[Kramodlog]

Pot & kettle.

Heh. Mine was a charicature. Not a strawman.

Except, as my original thread postulates, the complaint ISN'T legitimate as there is valid reasons to limit and constrain support.

It is has valid as anyone else's opinion. Cause that is all we, you included, post. Opinions.

Well, some do post facts too. Like me, who posted the sells numbers of the PHB on amazon. But facts are generally ignored.

I'm not going to self-censor my threads and ideas because people disagree with me.

And yet you want others to self-censor because you disagree with them.

I thought the idea of comparing and equating D&D expansions to hobby board game exoansions was different and interesting enough to warrant discussion.

Honestly, it is just trying to defend/justify what WotC is doing with the RPG. But rational arguments, whether good or bad, won't change the feelings of people. The two camps on the question of D&D's release schedule are pretty clear and so are their arguments. Until some new info is accessable, nothing much will change in terms of arguments and who makes them. Even a new idea like saying that it feels like the release of a boardgame. It feels more like the release of a place holder to me. We can try to explain our feelings, but ultimately we still won't feel the same thing.

 

[Manchu]

Even if someone had established that no one thought 3E, 4E, or Pathfinder had too sparse of releases 3-9 months into their product life (which has not been established here) what would it matter? Did I somehow waive the capacity to opine that WotC is going too slow regarding 5E in March 2015 just because I (or someone else, hypothetically) didn't feel that way about 3E fifteen years ago?

 

[Kramodlog]

And now you're not reading what you're quoting. Read what you linked to again. I said "which are incredibly easy to adapt" for the playtest adventures.

It is you who doesn't read. I said that if they needed a conversion, the actual word you used, not adapt, they are not part of 5e. How easy it is to convert is non sequatur as to whether they need converting or not.

It's not arbitrary at all to start counting when "the core rules" have come out.

Of course it is. It is an arbitrary decisions, like counting from the moment the first box/book is release. Neither are good or bad. But both are arbitrary lines made up by people.

But now it is obvious you are not talking about conversion and what is or is not part of 5e. Seems this tangent is over.