D&D 5E Assassinate

[GMforPowergamers]

The question I was answering was about how you know when a creature is no longer surprised. Surprise is the thing that connects reactions with turns, or are you incapable of following a logical argument?

you are surprised or not when the DM rules it, there is not enough rules on it's own, as such it is table by table

 

[Ristamar]

You do get a turn. You just get to make a Death save at the start of your turn. Your turn is the death save. Then you're done. Everything is clearly spelled out, not implied in anyway. You take an action making a death saving throw.

Yes, that was the joke. You always get a turn, even when you're on death's doorstep.

 

[Hriston]

I have already admitted Mike Mearls has confirmed your interpretation.

All I want you to acknowledge is that it is not clearly stated that surprise ends when a person can take reactions. It is implied, but not clearly stated. It seems it should be, at least in my opinion. This thread would not exist if they had included a single sentence that stated, "Surprise ends after the person's first turn."

Good on you being right about the implied rule.

I agree that they didn't say, "This is when Surprise ends." It wasn't immediately obvious to me either. The rules are somewhat terse in this regard. Instead of telling us when a creature is no longer surprised, they told us when the effects on the creature end, which is the necessary information. I suppose they were trying not to be redundant.

I appreciate you acknowleding I was right.

 

[Ristamar]

When do you normally get your reaction back if you have used it?

The start of your next turn.

 

[Quajek]

The question I was answering was about how you know when a creature is no longer surprised. Surprise is the thing that connects reactions with turns, or are you incapable of following a logical argument?

There is no need to be insulting. I was making a point separate from your point.

 

[Celtavian]

The question I was answering was about how you know when a creature is no longer surprised. Surprise is the thing that connects reactions with turns, or are you incapable of following a logical argument?

You are correct. Reactions are usually regained at the start of turns. Isn't it logical to assume that if you don't get a reaction, you haven't taken a turn?

 

[Ristamar]

I agree that they didn't say, "This is when Surprise ends." It wasn't immediately obvious to me either. The rules are somewhat terse in this regard. Instead of telling us when a creature is no longer surprised, they told us when the effects on the creature end, which is the necessary information. I suppose they were trying not to be redundant.

I imagine they didn't specify an end because it's not a condition. Being accustomed to 3e, that threw me off at first.

 

[Celtavian]

The start of your next turn.

Exactly. Start of next turn. Why isn't it logical to assume you lost a turn if you don't get a reaction at the start of the turn? Instead you get it back after the turn is over, implying that you didn't take a turn. Isn't that also a logical assumption if it isn't stated otherwise?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I agree that they didn't say, "This is when Surprise ends."

then this is a moot argument, because sense they didn't say it, and some people interpret it different then others it is an unwinnable fight... no one is ever going to be right or wrong, it will just happen different at each table...

It wasn't immediately obvious to me either. The rules are somewhat terse in this regard. Instead of telling us when a creature is no longer surprised, they told us when the effects on the creature end, which is the necessary information. I suppose they were trying not to be redundant.

or maybe they just went with 'it's up to the DM'

I was right.

you are only right at your table, at mine, or the two I play at you are wrong we do not play it that way nor do we agree with your interpretation...

 

[Ristamar]

Exactly. Start of next turn. Why isn't it logical to assume you lost a turn if you don't get a reaction at the start of the turn? Instead you get it back after the turn is over, implying that you didn't take a turn. Isn't that also a logical assumption if it isn't stated otherwise?

It's a logical guess, but it would be wrong. Much like it'd be wrong to assume that if you can't move or speak or attack, you must not have a turn.

I'm not trying to infer anyone is an idiot, or that the surprise rule isn't a little awkward given the baggage most of us are carrying from previous editions, but the loss of a turn is never even remotely implied in the rules, only the loss of options.