D&D 5E A half-elven question for the lore masters

delericho

Legend
I have a concept for a half elf PC, that is a son of two half elves. His father was a son of a half elf and drow, and his mother was a daughter of an elven man and a human woman.

Per either the 2nd Ed PHB or the "Complete Book of Elves" (I forget which), the child of a half-elf and an elf (in this case drow) would be a half-elf, while the child of an elf and a human would be a half-elf, and the child of two half-elves is also a half-elf. (Per that same source, only elf+elf = elf; while half-elf+human = human.)

I'm not aware on any definitive word on the topic since then, but you probably shouldn't consider long-OOP 2nd Ed books definitive and binding. :)

But i have trouble imagining this PC physical attributes and appearance. Is this pairing possible? And will it result in a half elf?

Sure, I don't see why not.

And what would a child of human-drow half elf and human-elf half elf look like?

I would go for a half-elf with one drow trait, as Minigiant suggests. Specifically, I would go for those bright red eyes...
 

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Mephista

Adventurer
Is this pairing possible?
Elves can have children between each other, no matter the sub race. All humans and half elves can have kids with each other.

And will it result in a half elf?
Sure. One thing to remember is that a notable part of the race mechanics are the culture. Half-elves have a good portion of those racial bonuses because of how they were raised between the human and elven worlds, not because of genetics. Well, some are inherited, but not all.

So, the better question to ask is - does the stats fit your concept and the way the character was raised? If not, you might want to look at the Sword Coast alternate rules, or full elf rules, and fluff the rest to have bits of human in it.

And what would a child of human-drow half elf and human-elf half elf look like?
Waaaay too general. There are already huge variations in appearance of humans, drow, sun elves, moon elves, wood/wild elves, aquatic elves, etc. A better question is - what can't he look like? A human with black skin who has sex with a gold skinned sun elf can have a black skinned half-elf kid, nevermind that there's no drow in the blood.

You can have pretty much any ethnicity of human, mixed with at least two elven races (yes, some elves have green hair). At that doesn't touch on the fact that the elves themselves could have mixed blood as well in their past that could show up. Drow tend to be uniform in appearance, but that's because they're generally portrayed as racist bigots that play to the whole purity of blood angle and kill children that don't fit a narrow stereotype, though there are exceptions. The rest of the elves tend to be more open minded.
 

TheLoneRanger1979

First Post
A child of human/drow half elf and human/nondrow-elf half elf is a half elf.

It would look like a half elf with 1 drow feature (skin, hair, or eyes).

Nice! Thanks. In this case though i thought of making the father not human, but a normal half-elf (father human, mother high elf) and mother drow.


Moi? Serious? D&D is for fun.

It's your character, you make him up how you like. Scope for an great backstory, though. What background will he have?

His human grandfather abandoned his grandmother and she never forgave him. He's probably long-dead by now but the grandmother blames your PC anyway for being male ("all men are like your grandfather") and this makes him defensive. He over-compensates for his insecurity by becoming a brash and reckless adventurer. He has a "thing" about female trees, which could be interesting if you make him a druid.

Something like that. Go wild. He's your character.

My initial idea:
His father was a stereotypical half elf, (wonder lust, no roots, had adventuring pretty much thrown, if not forced on him), he was working as many things in life, mercenary, soldier, diplomatic envoy...

His mother was a drow exile. Ambitious, energetic, uncompromisable, but ultimately doomed to fall with the rest of her city and house. Fleeing the Underdark for reasons she would never reveal in full (except the destruction of her home, but not why, when or by whom), she came to the surface and leaved on the outskirts of civilization for a long time, working along bandits, rogues, rangers and other similar ilk.

The two met while he was doing official "business" for the authorities, investigating smuggling operations and demi-human activities in the border regions. Her group (or what was left of her) were chased by war band of invaders and stumbled upon the patrol the father lead. They were forced to work together and eventually they were the only ones that survived the skirmish. Him being a half elf, and she a drow, they had enough time to adventure around and adventure they did, both as pair/duo and as parts of larger parties. In time they became powerful and influential individuals, developed a romantic but turbulent relationship, but she always remained in the shadows, both because her presence would jeopardize their future political ambitions and because of the unseen threat that she appears to have been running from still.

Eventually they settled down and he got a ruling position as high level crown-backed duke with their own castle and estates. All seamed to be going well, they had a son and he was growing strong and capable. They were rich, respected and influential, until one day, after the father and the son returned from a diplomatic ambition, and found the drow mother on her death bed, dying from a fatal wound. This lead them both on a vendetta quest to find her assassins and avenge her death. This lasted a long time, lead them to may foreign lands even venturing the Underdark, and when it was finally over, they found themselves exhausted. Both emotionally and economically.

There was still enough prestige left for their powerful friends to help them start a new life, but the father has had enough of politics and warfare. On top of all that, he feared a possible revenge from their Underdark enemies and retaliation against his son. So they decided to abandon their estates and names, and when into the wild. They ranged for some time and eventually came across a small woodland community. They became the local ranger-protectors. The local population was not numerous and among them was a family of an elven wanderer and a human wise woman. They in turn had one daughter (half elf). Eventually the son and the daughter married and had a son of their own.

It is this child that i intend to play with. He grew up listening to the stories about his ancestors, but was especially impressed with the stories about his paternal grand mother. In her honor he took up the worship of Eilistraee, in good will and hope of redemption for all, especially the drow. Living among a small mixed population wilderness community might have helped this. This idyllic life was not to last, alas. Someone in the community (or so it seamed) betrayed them to a dragon cult and the entire area was desolated, it's population massacred. Only he and his father survived finding nothing but burning remains when they came back from what appeared to be a routine skirmish with a bordering goblin tribe. The PC then decides to track down the dragon cult, investigate the matters and take what ever action is possible, or necessary. He still has a benevolent mind, but recent experiences have made him less trusty of others. This conflicts his previous ideals of Eilistraee somewhat and is a base for a personal conflict in the future.

Sorry for the long post, but once i started, i just couldn't stop :)

Waaaay too general. There are already huge variations in appearance of humans, drow, sun elves, moon elves, wood/wild elves, aquatic elves, etc. A better question is - what can't he look like? A human with black skin who has sex with a gold skinned sun elf can have a black skinned half-elf kid, nevermind that there's no drow in the blood.


You can have pretty much any ethnicity of human, mixed with at least two elven races (yes, some elves have green hair). At that doesn't touch on the fact that the elves themselves could have mixed blood as well in their past that could show up. Drow tend to be uniform in appearance, but that's because they're generally portrayed as racist bigots that play to the whole purity of blood angle and kill children that don't fit a narrow stereotype, though there are exceptions. The rest of the elves tend to be more open minded.

The grand father was a child of a one night stand between a dark haired human stranger with brown eyes and elven maiden from the high forest. The grand mother was drown with silvery white hair and obsidian skin ., but lost the red shine in her eyes because of the long time spent on the surface. Even her skin got to turn more whitish and purplish over time while her eyes went deep lapis blue. His maternal grand father was a wood elf with dark blonde hair and green eyes while his maternal grand mother had sky blue eyes and red curly hair.


P.S. Thanks for all the helpful tips so far guys!
 
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Hriston

Dungeon Master of Middle-earth
(Are we talking lore wise, or genetics wise?)

Genetics. I read an old Dragon magazine article not too long ago about the genetics of Half-elves and Half-orcs. It proposed a simple scheme based on there being a single pair of genes that governed whether you were elven or human (and I suppose a different pair of genes to govern whether you are orcish?)

Lore-wise, all I can offer is from the lore of Middle-earth where the Half-elven, Elrond and his brother Elros, were given the Choice of the Half-elven, not only to live among and as either Humans or Elves, but to share their fate as well.
 

Minigiant

Legend
Supporter
Yes it would. But that's not what we're working with here.

The question posed is for a human/non-drow half-elf + a normal half-[human/non-drow elf]-elf/drow...I guess that would make it a 3/4 elf. heh.

Bottom line though, as someone has mentioned, is...it's D&D (and the Forgotten Realms to boot)...the character can look like anything you want them too.

I was under the impression that a half elf and a half elf always has half elven children in FR. All that matters is the type of elf and human.

In Eberron, half elves are basically a whole new race that breeds true.
In Middle Earth, they eventually get to choose to be full of one or other.
 
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rollingForInit

First Post
I'd give the character darker skin, but not necessarily black (depending on the complexion of the other parent). Beyond that, I'd say you could have them look as elven or human as you like. Some half-elves look more elvish than others. Some look more like humans.
 

TheLoneRanger1979

First Post
I was under the impression that a half elf and a half elf always has half elven children in FR. All that matters is the type of elf and human.

In Eberron, half elves are basically a whole new race that breeds true.
In Middle Earth, they eventually get to choose to be full of one or other.

I think i'll stick to FR for this one. So half-elf and elf = half elf and half-elf and half-elf also a half elf.

I'd give the character darker skin, but not necessarily black (depending on the complexion of the other parent). Beyond that, I'd say you could have them look as elven or human as you like. Some half-elves look more elvish than others. Some look more like humans.

I was wondering, if the grand mother drow, lost the red eye glare during the long exposition to the surface world, would her offspring still feature it as a "standard" "genetic" trait?

Genetics. I read an old Dragon magazine article not too long ago about the genetics of Half-elves and Half-orcs. It proposed a simple scheme based on there being a single pair of genes that governed whether you were elven or human (and I suppose a different pair of genes to govern whether you are orcish?)

Lore-wise, all I can offer is from the lore of Middle-earth where the Half-elven, Elrond and his brother Elros, were given the Choice of the Half-elven, not only to live among and as either Humans or Elves, but to share their fate as well.

Do you happen to remember the details? Or can the article be found online?

On a side note, out of all the drow features, silver hair is the least favorite that i would want to give my PC. That's just too stereotypical, even for me. Besides eyes and skin color, what other features are drow-typical?
 
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