Krakenspire
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Wow. Not only do I have no respect for your "who cares what the setting's creator thinks" attitude, but you didn't even respond in any way to the other points.
Done.
Relax there. Don't put words in my mouth. If I didn't care what Keith thinks then I wouldn't read his blog now would I. He has a number of posts on how disappointed he is. I simply stated that despite Mr. Bakers original intent the Silver Flame is not what it was originally intended. Either way you make the world what you want.
As for Thrane not being what Keith wants here's a quote from him regarding that.
Q: A very interesting point in my opinion is the conflict between the ideals of the Flame and the corruption and racism of the Church. For example about warforgeds. How are the lives of warforged living in Thrane?
A: This is a complicated issue. To begin with, let’s talk about racism in Thrane.
The 3.5 ECS says nothing about endemic racism in Thrane. This is a concept that was introduced in Five Nations, a book I didn’t work on. It’s not a concept I personally endorse. There’s nothing in the core beliefs of the Silver Flame that sets humanity apart or above other races. At its ultimate core it is about defending the children of Eberron and Siberys from the children of Khyber. Broadly interpreted it’s about protecting the innocent from supernatural evil… not “innocent humans.” ALL noble souls can strengthen the Flame after death, and it was originally kindled by a noble sacrifice made long before human civilization existed. Many sources feature nonhuman Thrane clerics of the Silver Flame, and one of Tira Miron’s most trusted allies was an elf avenger. Aundair doesn’t have a human majority, yet Thrane’s templars put themselves in harms way to defend Aundair from the lycanthropic threat. If anything, I would expect Thrane to have LESS racism than the other Five Nations as it is grounded in a faith that is driven to protect all innocents. So speaking personally: I didn’t come up with the idea of excessive racism in Thrane and it’s not something I embrace at my table or in my writing.
I added Q and A so people wouldn't get confused and also the bold and italics are my emphasis.
And this gem:
Historically, Thrane has the least consistency in its presentation by different authors. The corruption is often blown out of proportion, when a) the CotSF isn’t supposed to have MORE corruption than any other faith in Eberron, it’s simply that there IS corruption even in this altruistic institution; and b) the majority of that corruption is based in Breland. The zealotry becomes a focus, when Aundair is supposed to be the stronghold of the Pure Flame and Thrane the seat of the moderate faith. Heck, we can’t even get consistency on the fact that archery is an important cultural tradition.
So: there is a book that says that Thrane ruthlessly turned away refugees on the Day of Mourning. I could come up with an explanation for that if I had to. But in MY campaign, I’m simply going to ignore it and say it was Karrnath that turned people away… which was an unfortunate necessity due to their limited resources.
Thus different authours, thus not the control he would have liked, thus its not his world anymore. Thus Thrane and the Silver Flame have more corruption in the officially published references. And Keith himself points this out in point a).
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http://keith-baker.com/dragonmarks-31215-origins-authors-and-thrane/