D&D 5E Wanting more content doesn't always equate to wanting tons of splat options so please stop.

I hit this place in spurts. I can't create content like that. It's one thing to spend a few minutes here and there responding to posts. It's another to try and spend a few minutes here and there to come up with long, coherent content. The latter just doesn't work for me. If you can do it, more power to you.

So you don't put though into your posts? You don't spend any time composing them? You don't read and analyze other people's posts? Think about them?
The time sink isn't simply in spouting a few words(sometimes MANY paragraphs) onto a forum.

Identify what's missing. Make it.


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So.... what are we even discussing anymore?

Lat's lay out some common ground.

Remove all qualifiers and defining statements and everyone wants more content. Seriously, I doubt a single person on this thread wants the doors to be shut and this be all we will ever receive for 5e. So we all want more content.

We obviously can't agree on how quickly or how much content. I'd bet we'd all be happy with the same quantity, but some people want to spread that quantity over a larger period of time. Getting to the bare bones, some people just aren't happy with how things currently look.

A driving force behind advice and discussions is the desire to find solutions. What are our solutions?

1) Force WoTC and Hasbro to make more stuff faster.

Without devolving into criminality or being major investors who drop a million dollars on the company, I don't see a single individual pulling this off. And sure, we could have a movement, vote with our dollars and all that. But most of us don't agree on what we want to see, and WoTC might misinterpret the signals we send.

2) Wait

If they don't have what you want yet, wait and see if they will have it later.


If you only want to buy WoTC products, nothing else, for whatever reason. If it requires the seal of approval from that office to be real at your table, these are your only two options. They aren't great options, they kind of suck. But they really seem to be the only two viable options you have.

No one wants to tell another person that there isn't a solution to their problem. So we on the internet move towards other solutions.

3) Make it yourself

Game doesn't have what you want, make it yourself. You've got the tools and the permission to go nuts and build whatever you want to build. Problem is you may not have the time, energy, skill, and/or will to do so. I certainly don't most of the time unless it is fluff. So, if you can make use of this solution, it is perfect because you will end up with exactly what you want, if you can't use it then you need something else.

4) 3rd Parties

Which is how we get to 3rd party developers. WoTC isn't doing what you want, but maybe somebody else is. And there are so many homebrewed bits and pieces all over the internet, it's like walking into a 6 story sprawling library. Sure, you may not find what you want, but if you sift through long enough chances are you'll get something amazing out of it.

And I think here we've laid out the last possible solution. I certainly can't think of anything else. To add a bit of corporate justice to it though, a lot of really good work comes out of those 3rd parties from what I have heard. I've personally never gone and gotten them, because I've been relatively happy with what 5e has offered and I was worried about balance issues. I'm moving towards perhaps buying some really highly talked about stuff though, like that Tome of Beasts, but look back up to our 1st solution, when we talked about voting with your dollars. These are small companies, they don't have massive brand recognition, but they are still creating professional work and struggling to carve out a successful business. I think that is partially why people are so quick to recommend them, not only do they do good work, but they need the support or else by voting with our dollars we'll end up voting them out of existence and then we will be left with only the old and big companies, who may not have the innovations that we're looking for to move the brands and products we want.

So, if they don't have stuff you like, or you feel you can't possibly know whether you would like it or not and don't feel like taking the risk, don't buy their stuff. But... these are the paths forward you've got. If you won't homebrew and you won't go 3rd party, then start raising the funds to buy WoTC's attention, because it is either that or sitting back and doing nothing.
 

Lack of confidence that any more will be coming in any reasonable time frame.

So everyone who wants some more material actually wants unending new material? Doesn't that go against what te OP's point was supposed to be?


Not that I've found. Official reviewers have been hit and miss with me, so they aren't reliable. Sites that allow user review are not reliable for the reasons already stated.

This I can agree with, but I know which friends those are ;)

The ones I do consistently agree with are reliable. They don't have to be 100%. I still end up looking over the books before buying, though. I just bounce thoughts off of the reliable ones to help with my final judgment.

Well just so you know, many of the third party options have preview material. Again, preferences are what they are, but there are ways to try to more accurately gauge 3rd party material rather than solely relying on having the material in hand.

Edited to add: [MENTION=6801228]Chaosmancer[/MENTION] very good summary of the issue.
 

So you don't put though into your posts? You don't spend any time composing them? You don't read and analyze other people's posts? Think about them?
The time sink isn't simply in spouting a few words(sometimes MANY paragraphs) onto a forum.

I spend minutes looking at, and responding to posts. That is also a False Equivalence by the way. Trying to alter or create balanced content is FAR more difficult than looking at and responding to a post.
 

So everyone who wants some more material actually wants unending new material?

I never said or implied that.

Doesn't that go against what te OP's point was supposed to be?

I don't know. Since you made it up, you tell me.

Well just so you know, many of the third party options have preview material.

Unless that preview material is the entirety of the content, it doesn't help me. Preview stuff is typically the best or among the best material the product has. That's why so many movie previews are misleading, and why if a movie preview isn't good, the movie usually sucks.
 

You're still not even trying. Instead of dilly dallying with people on the forums who you will
A: never get to agree with you
And
B: you will never agree with.

Identify one thing that's missing from you're game.
Make it.
Play test it while you play.
Address issues.
Done.
Seriously, add the minutes you spend thinking about, writing, reading, responding here. Along with the time spent thinking about posts when you're not on the forums... you have time to make one thing you want. It's a start.




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You're still not even trying. Instead of dilly dallying with people on the forums who you will
A: never get to agree with you
And
B: you will never agree with.

Identify one thing that's missing from you're game.
Make it.
Play test it while you play.
Address issues.
Done.
Seriously, add the minutes you spend thinking about, writing, reading, responding here. Along with the time spent thinking about posts when you're not on the forums... you have time to make one thing you want. It's a start.

Calm down, please. People talking to each other about their hobbies is not a problem in the slightest. It's neither a binary thing, nor are they required to account to you for how they spend their time.
 

I never said or implied that.

It's called discouragement. People who have left the game are increasingly unlikely to return to the game and buy a general content release if it's just going to be another 2-3 years before they get more. Similarly, those on the edge are also going to he hesitant to spend money for the same reasons.

You don't think that this implies that some folks won't buy a "general content release" unless they felt sure that more would be coming soon?
 



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