The Monetization of D&D Play

DRF

First Post
DM's have historically been free or possibly at the price of a few drinks and snacks. Regardless of how much you want it to be so, No one not going to put a monetary valuation of even minimum wage on something that has historically been free and fairly easy to find and currently is the same.

There's no actual monetary difference between paying for a DMs snacks & drinks, and paying him/her $5. The first just carries different symbolic value, I'd say. Also, for many people finding DM's isn't easy at all.

There's plenty of paid DM'ing going on online. People are always willing to pay for quality. I mean, jeez, people even buy fresh air from specific geographic locations on Amazon (sadly I'm not even kidding).
 

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AriochQ

Adventurer
Brief update...

The retail store in question has updated their Facebook post about D&D night. They took out any mention of Adventurer's League and deleted the sentence about buying exp. I guess someone spoke to them about it. My assumption is they didn't really understand AL when they wrote the original posting.
 

Nevvur

Explorer
Brief update...

The retail store in question has updated their Facebook post about D&D night. They took out any mention of Adventurer's League and deleted the sentence about buying exp. I guess someone spoke to them about it. My assumption is they didn't really understand AL when they wrote the original posting.

The black market for pay to win AL XP is going to start getting very expensive very fast!
 

They can also sells coupons for reroll.
I wonder if they use a sane magic item price list.
Special offfer, this week the holy avenger is at 19.99$
 

Reynard

Legend
It's almost as if half the people in this thread have never gone to see a movie before, otherwise it is weird for them to be so vehemently against paying for entertainment provided by someone else.

Gamers in general tend toward the stingy in my experience, preferring to purchase their books from Amazon and undercutting their FLGS *when they choose to pay for them at all*. It isn't just gamers of course -- lots of people torrent their entertainment rather than pay for it, sure of their entitlement to the labors of others because... some reason.

Now, if we are talking about your weekly game night with your friends, the exchange of money for GM time is probably not appropriate -- if for no other reason that you should not really mix business and friendship. But at a game store, is it really so far out there to expect a nominal fee that the GM then shares with the store. i run a lot of games at cons and I get "paid" with free badges and sometimes some room vouchers. Considering that without GMs there are no cons, this is appropriate (and maybe con GMs should get paid too).

Then there are premium services. i work with a GM collective that hires out for private home games and events. People with the means are willing to spend money on the forms of entertainment they like most. Why should TTRPGs be any different?

All that said, of course there should always be a free gaming option -- playing at home or school or the library or whatever, with a GM happy to run for free. Nor do I have a problem with a "GM Yelp" because if you are providing a service for which you ask money, people should be able to find out whether you are any good at it before hand.
 

pogre

Legend
Nor do I have a problem with a "GM Yelp" because if you are providing a service for which you ask money, people should be able to find out whether you are any good at it before hand.

This is an awesome idea. I actually really miss the feedback forms players used to do on DMs in organized play. If I could get meaningful critical feedback from players I would be a lot more tempted to run AL.
 

In other words, ease of finding a much cheaper alternative is a huge driving factor in valuation. That's the case with D&D. DM's have historically been free or possibly at the price of a few drinks and snacks. Regardless of how much you want it to be so, No one not going to put a monetary valuation of even minimum wage on something that has historically been free and fairly easy to find and currently is the same.
That's the part where "I think we're really spoiled" comes in. I mean, after all, would we actually want our DM friend to work that hard and get poverty wages? Do we feel that poverty wages are the right price for that level of entertainment? I sincerely hope not.

We should be promoting a decent wage for this kind of entertainment. Not scoffing at anything higher than sweat shop rates. :angel:
 
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Iry

Hero
We should be promoting a decent wage for this kind of entertainment. Not scoffing at anything higher than sweat shop rates. :angel:
This is why I charged $20 per person for an 8 hour gaming session. It comes out to $8.47 to $10.58 an hour after taxes. NOT including any prep time, which causes it to drop below minimum wage.

So even $20 for 8 / $10 for 4 is really hard on your DM.
 
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FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
That's the part where "I think we're really spoiled" comes in. I mean, after all, would we actually want our DM friend to work that hard and get poverty wages

I want my friends that like D&D to make Billions of Dollars running D&D as the DM. I also want my burger flipper friends to be able to make Billions of Dollars flipping burgers. I also want my friends that enjoy playing call of Duty to make Billions of Dollars doing it as well. Those are just not realistic desires though.

Do we feel that poverty wages are the right price for that level of entertainment? I sincerely hope not.
Yes (well actually below them). Most entertainment is not profitable. There have been more entertaining videos on youtube than I could ever watch in a lifetime. Do you believe poverty wages are the right price for that level of entertainment? What about for amateur photographers? What about people that enjoy basketball but have no chance of ever playing in college or the pros? Shouldn't the effort and time put into entertaining each other be more profitable than minimum wage?
We should be promoting a decent wage for this kind of entertainment. Not scoffing at anything higher than sweat shop rates. :angel:

We should be promoting the hobby, not a minimum wage for DM's.
 


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