D&D 5E No Magic Shops!

[Ovinomancer]

I mean, after you nailed [MENTION=6799753]lowkey13[/MENTION], I was eager for you to do me next.

I did.

 

[Satyrn]

I did.

I guess. It's just that you lasted a whole paragraph with him, though. And there was even some effort at a foreword.

I got just a one word quickie. I can't really say I'm satisfied.

 

[Ovinomancer]

I guess. It's just that you lasted a whole paragraph with him, though. And there was even some effort at a foreword.

I got just a one word quickie. I can't really say I'm satisfied.

Well, maybe he was more interesting, or more complex, or maybe I just recognize a sarcastic attempt to troll and am returning the favor. It's an imprecise art.

 

[Mistwell]

So I get that the whole link to the proper quote/XP Award/mention is broken/borked/flumphed when you have blocked, or are blocked by, another ENWorld contributor. Sure I'd like to see that "fixed", but I scratch my head at the feeling that this is some kind of major inconvenience worthy of pages of griping. When I click a link and I'm not taken to the "right" place, I simply click the "View First Unread" link at the top of the page and I get to the start of the new action in that thread straight away. Then I catch up on the discussion and soon find where I was quoted or mentioned. I primarily use my laptop or the web version of the site on my phone. Am I missing something else here?

Yes, you are missing something. The "view first unread" ALSO doesn't work when encountering this problem. It goes to a seemingly random post, though I am sure there is some defined method to that madness. It's super annoying to click that "view first unread" and be taken to a post that's definitely not the first unread.

There are literally no board navigation systems left functioning once your page is bumped due to blocked messages. Any shortcuts or links you can think of don't take you to the correct destination anymore - a link next to a message, a notification, an XP, a link next to a thread, all links break. And the longer the thread the worse the error. In a thread with dozens of pages, it rapidly becomes hopeless to even figure out where you left off reading that thread. You have to just click back pages and read at a sort of guess randomly until you finally find a message you recognize or don't recognize.

You know, I am wondering if I should make a video showing what this error really looks like so those who don't encounter it, or don't encounter it much, can get a better feel for just how bad it can be.

 

[FrogReaver]

Yes, you are missing something. The "view first unread" ALSO doesn't work when encountering this problem. It goes to a seemingly random post, though I am sure there is some defined method to that madness. It's super annoying to click that "view first unread" and be taken to a post that's definitely not the first unread.

There are literally no board navigation systems left functioning once your page is bumped due to blocked messages. Any shortcuts or links you can think of don't take you to the correct destination anymore - a link next to a message, a notification, an XP, a link next to a thread, all links break. And the longer the thread the worse the error. In a thread with dozens of pages, it rapidly becomes hopeless to even figure out where you left off reading that thread. You have to just click back pages and read at a sort of guess randomly until you finally find a message you recognize or don't recognize.

You know, I am wondering if I should make a video showing what this error really looks like so those who don't encounter it, or don't encounter it much, can get a better feel for just how bad it can be.

It usually only comes up on really long threads. Shorter ones you usually get within a page or 2 of the comment or quote. Threads like this where a major contributor or 2 blocks you, well... you might as well forget about using any navigation buttons besides last page.

 

[Satyrn]

Well, maybe he was more interesting, or more complex, or maybe I just recognize a sarcastic attempt to troll and am returning the favor. It's an imprecise art.

To be 100% clear, I am not trolling. I am never trolling.


I'm not surprised that my joking way of saying "yeah, that's how I see lowkey, too. I wonder how you see me" came off as sarcastic. I'm now a little concerned that my posts come across as trolling, though.

 

[Ovinomancer]

To be 100% clear, I am not trolling. I am never trolling.


I'm not surprised that my joking way of saying "yeah, that's how I see lowkey, too. I wonder how you see me" came off as sarcastic. I'm now a little concerned that my posts come across as trolling, though.

As a recovering internet troll, it was a term of some endearment. Interestingly, though, our 12 step program isn't anonymous -- we were all just flaming each other until we realized that anonymity is half of the problem equation.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

No, though it's getting worse*. Which is why I said it was purely in the hypothetical extreme. I am asking if there is any line you'd draw, as an introduction into a discussion as to where to draw that line. If you're unwilling to admit there would ever be a line, then there isn't a discussion. But, if you admit there would be a line, then the follow on question of "OK where should that line be if it shouldn't be at this point?" seems fair territory.

It's an incrimental thing. Every break in the functionality of the board decreases my desire somewhat to participate with others on the board. Every time people ask for a break to be repaired and they get push back of "it's not that bad and I want my thing more!" it decreases my desire somewhat to participate with others on the board. I'm trying to get to the point where you can experience at least some empathy for people who simply want the thing to function properly rather than having to deal with an increasing number of breaks in the system.

*The problem gets worse over time as your rate of blocks increases over time. This is because your participation increases over time, with each old post still being there and each new post simply adding to the number of total posts you have here for others to read, creating more opportunities for a post to result in a block. Additionally the board increases the number of users every day which itself increases the odds someone will want to block you over time. The combination of my participation increasing and the participation of others increasing results in more blocks happening over time. Which means more system problems over time. It's a cumulative problem that will never get better on its own and will only gradually get worse with time, with the people who participate the most over time feeling the negative impacts of the system breaks more over time.

Maybe you should make that video you referenced in a later post. I did a review of ppl I’ve blocked, just to see if any were overreactions or folks who aren’t always as toxic as they were when I blocked them, etc. Of all 5 or 6 people I have blocked, only 1 is still active on this forum, and they just seem to post about Kickstarter campaigns on a fairly occasional basis.

I seem to be blocked by parmandur (even tho this is a recent thing, I’ve no real idea why), Saelorn (I insistently called them out on their onetrueway attitude and got blocked), and ad_hoc (I think they called me a snowflake in a political debate or something like that, and then blocked me. Maybe I was advocating for representation in games? I just remember thinking “thanks!” When they blocked me). There are a couple more I think, but they rarely start threads.

There are at least 2 threads that keep popping up in the new posts page that I can’t view. Whoever started the “biggest gripe with 5e” thread, or whatever the title is, seems to have blocked me.

Between saelorn and parmandur, I get the notification linking problem a lot, but the “unread post” button seems to mostly work fine? Maybe I just haven’t noticed when it didn’t?

Anyway, the issues with that just aren’t that big a deal to me. They should be fixed, but not if the only fix is to go back to the ignore function as it was.


As to what my line would be...Honestly, I don’t have a set point for you. If it got anywhere close to half of posts, I’d have to do a serious review of my behavior on this forum, and consider whether I’m the problem here. My first bought wouldn’t be to assume that I’m fine and it’s the forum that should change.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Maybe you should make that video you referenced in a later post. I did a review of ppl I’ve blocked, just to see if any were overreactions or folks who aren’t always as toxic as they were when I blocked them, etc. Of all 5 or 6 people I have blocked, only 1 is still active on this forum, and they just seem to post about Kickstarter campaigns on a fairly occasional basis.

I seem to be blocked by parmandur (even tho this is a recent thing, I’ve no real idea why), Saelorn (I insistently called them out on their onetrueway attitude and got blocked), and ad_hoc (I think they called me a snowflake in a political debate or something like that, and then blocked me. Maybe I was advocating for representation in games? I just remember thinking “thanks!” When they blocked me). There are a couple more I think, but they rarely start threads.

There are at least 2 threads that keep popping up in the new posts page that I can’t view. Whoever started the “biggest gripe with 5e” thread, or whatever the title is, seems to have blocked me.

Between saelorn and parmandur, I get the notification linking problem a lot, but the “unread post” button seems to mostly work fine? Maybe I just haven’t noticed when it didn’t?

Anyway, the issues with that just aren’t that big a deal to me. They should be fixed, but not if the only fix is to go back to the ignore function as it was.


As to what my line would be...Honestly, I don’t have a set point for you. If it got anywhere close to half of posts, I’d have to do a serious review of my behavior on this forum, and consider whether I’m the problem here. My first bought wouldn’t be to assume that I’m fine and it’s the forum that should change.

Honest question, because I don't recall you having answered it, but why is removing your content from the blocked person so important to you? I'll admit I have trouble with this because, if I ignore you I don't care what you're saying, so I don't care you can read or quote me. That's where I'm coming from -- ignore/block is an obliette I toss you into so I don't see you anymore. Internet-tough-guy bravdo aside, you have to be really annoying to hit that mark - my scroll wheel works for most people I'm not interested in reading. So, for me, blocking someone from being able to see my content is pretty low on the needs list. Having an ignore feature that legit disappears the other person vice spoiler-tagging them is pretty nice, though, I'd spring for some annoyance for that.

So, I'm curious, why is blocking vice ignoring such a quality improvement for you that you'll tolerate broken functionality (with workarounds)?

 

[Maxperson]

Ignore wasnt working. Block has some issues with notifications, but otherwise is working.

Replace some with lots and you'll be accurate.