D&D General The Satanic Panic never really died?

[Yaarel]

This thread is focusing on traditional Christian concerns about D&D.

For Muslim and Jewish parents, the concern is polytheism.

Surprisingly, Christians seem to not really care about polytheism. But for many traditional Muslims and Jews, the polytheism is a big deal.

 

[FrogReaver]

This thread is focusing on traditional Christian concerns about D&D.

For Muslim and Jewish parents, the concern is polytheism.

Surprisingly, Christians seem to not really care about polytheism. But for many traditional Muslims and Jews, the polytheism is a big deal.

I think demons and sorcery were the more pressing concerns for Christians - but if there were no demons I'm sure they would have had a more vocal problem with the paganism and polytheism present in D&D.

 

[Garthanos]

Honestly, it was a problem for some priests I spoke with.

Magic beliefs include the "word" is the thing how you treat the one is how you treat the other. Relates to the pseudoscience of homeopathy although the latter is pretty explicitly the magic rule of contagion or association.

 

[Garthanos]

Surprisingly, Christians seem to not really care about polytheism.

Thou shalt not have other gods before me... it was acknowledged that other gods were real in the original stories. Monotheistic denial of the others reality has been a gradual add on.

 

[Zardnaar]

This thread is focusing on traditional Christian concerns about D&D.

For Muslim and Jewish parents, the concern is polytheism.

Surprisingly, Christians seem to not really care about polytheism. But for many traditional Muslims and Jews, the polytheism is a big deal.

Once again D&D doesn't need to appeal to everyone.

There's a tendency on the forums to think everyone must like D&D.

Alot of religious people don't care, some do.

The ones who want to convert you can be annoying. However if you try converting them it's the same thing you're annoying them.

It's ok to not like D&D for whatever silly reason.

 

[Xenonnonex]

Let me help.

The idea being presented is that, for someone of a particular worldview, the use of "real demons" (through their names) in the game their child is engaged with would be problematic/concerning.

It is a choice by WotC to use those names. Lots of people appreciate that choice! That there are other names they come up with, though, is irrelevant to the concern outlined above.

There are other companies who, while still having supernatural entities, do NOT use "real demon names," and would therefore not present the same concern.

If you want to say Paizo contributes to the 'Satanic Panic' that's fine. More for the mother to be concerned with. Paizo doesn't have to use "real demon" names either.

It would be bizarre to say to the mother in question "I know you're concerned about the presence of Baalzebul and Asmodeus, but don't worry, they also have stuff like Yeenoghu."

Maybe you're just one of those guys that jumps in at perceived slights to WotC or something, but that's not what this was; it was an attempt to understand a fairly different worldview.

Let me help.
My issue is with your implication that other companies do not contain the same religious baggage that Wizards does. Which is completely false. In fact Wizards have moved away from the real world depictions of devils and demons while companies like Paizo have embraced this.
I do not give a fat rat's clacker about Wizards.

 

[Xenonnonex]

I wonder how long this thread will remain open now that religious discussion is happening full bore.

 

[FrogReaver]

Thou shalt not have other gods before me... it was acknowledged that other gods were real in the original stories. Monotheistic denial of the others reality has been a gradual add on.

I mean when God himself has spoken something then it's no so much an add on as it is a clarification - no?

Isaiah 45:5
I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

And even more evidence that the gods spoken about were viewed as "false gods"

Deuteronomy 4:28
And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

 

[Eric V]

Let me help.
My issue is with your implication that other companies do not contain the same religious baggage that Wizards does. Which is completely false. In fact Wizards have moved away from the real world depictions of devils and demons while companies like Paizo have embraced this.
I do not give a fat rat's clacker about Wizards.

What's the issue, exactly? I wrote that some companies don't contain "the same religious baggage that Wizards does." Sure, some do (like Paizo, as you keep mentioning). But some don't, proving one doesn't have to have "religious baggage" in the game. Far from being "completely false," it's objectively true. I don't even understand how this is a controversial statement.

I am sorry you keep missing the word "some." It's been there since the beginning. You misread it at first; hey, it happens. Or maybe you inferred something that isn't there. This doubling down on the error is astoundingly stubborn behaviour though.

 

[Garthanos]

Isaiah 45:5
I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Yhwh had a wife named Asheerah whose temples were active as recent as 240 BCE stories change. I mean the great story of not being the one to judge ie throwing stones wasn't in any version (that we have recorded) before the 600s CE (I think that was the dates).

The stories and their interpretation changed its why we have all the plethora of sects.

Archeologists were heavily pressured against revealing the evidence for things like Asheerah because they went contrary to popular recent dogma.