Doctor Who (2020) - spoilers!

[Morrus]

True it is syfy and that doesn't amen as much as BBC but ratings do matter especially to advertisers.

The BBC doesn’t have advertisers.

 

[wicked cool]

ok my mistake
I agree it wont be cancelled but doing some homework ratings matter? Just viewing stories form the past 5 years

I could see it be moved to a different time slot

last week people were watching and there was evidence of a dropoff mid episode based on viewers coming back for another show afterwards

 

[Son of the Serpent]

ok my mistake
I agree it wont be cancelled but doing some homework ratings matter? Just viewing stories form the past 5 years

I could see it be moved to a different time slot

last week people were watching and there was evidence of a dropoff mid episode based on viewers coming back for another show afterwards

Something very extreme is going to happen within no more than 2 years. I can guarantee that.

Aparently over the course of the most recent season (STRICTLY JUST DURING THAT SEASON-sorry. Cant stress that enough.) alone, dr who is estimated to have lost over half of what was their current fan base at the beginning of that season.

What they are doing right now...something about it really doesnt work. Could be a lot of things but SOMETHING is not working. Multigenerational fanbases of that size dont typically just sublimate like that for no reason. The popularity of the show is seriously in danger of dying and not coming back unless there is a course correction and fast.

 

[wicked cool]

I don't think they care. The message is all that matters
the message is strong female characters & less white male characters, blatant political messages and history will be rewritten

Dr Who, Star wars, terminator, ghostbusters, birds of prey etc-the problem is for the most part you alienate a chunk of your fanbase, you have horrible scripts and writing and you are destroying your franchises due to box office bombs

Alien 1&2-Strong female character, good script, Loyal fanbase-Problem with this is the scripts went downhill

 

[Mallus]

... the message is strong female characters & less white male characters...

When I was growing up all my media heroes were white men. Spock & Kirk, Bond, James Bond, Rick Blaine in his bar over in Casablanca.

The thing is, I'm not a white man. I can't pass for a white man, even, though I'm told I can easily pass for Chinese (but I'm not Chinese).

So whenever read the complaint about 'less white male characters', I gotta admit my first thought is: What the hell is wrong with these people? Why can't they identify with a protagonist who isn't white or isn't a guy or who might even be a woman of color (gasp!). Because, if you're not a white guy, you've learned to do this your entire life. And it's fine. It's not a bad thing. Heck, I prefer Mr. Spock to Mr. Sulu, even though I resemble and share a bit of heritage with Mr. Takei and not Mr. Nimoy.

But sometimes it's nice to see yourself onscreen (and it's not like there's a shortage of white guys in media).

And if that alienates a chunk of the fanbase, then that particular chunk of the fanbase has problems that making The Doctor a white guy from Gallifrey again won't fix.

Alien 1&2-Strong female character, good script, Loyal fanbase-Problem with this is the scripts went downhill.

Do you really think Ripley circa Aliens won't catch heat if the film were released today? You'd have a legion of guys online defending Carter Burke against than mean, unfeminine girl emasculating him (and then totally winning Mary Sue-style over yet another strong woman, the Xenomorph Queen, while the only other surviving white guy lies ripped in half in pool of milk-colored blood).

 

[Son of the Serpent]

When I was growing up all my media heroes where white men. Spock & Kirk, Bond, James Bond, Rick Blaine in his bar over in Casablanca.

The thing is, I'm not a white man. I can't pass for a white man, even, though I'm told I can easily pass for Chinese (but I'm not Chinese).

So whenever read the complaint about 'less white male characters', I gotta admit my first though is: What the hell is wrong with these people? Why can't they identify with a protagonist who isn't white or isn't a guy or who might even be a woman of color (gasp!). Because, if you're not a white guy, you've learned to do your entire life. And it's fine. It's not a bad thing. Heck, I prefer Mr. Spock to Mr. Sulu, even though I resemble and share a bit of heritage with Mr. Takei and not Mr. Nimoy.

But sometimes it's nice to see yourself onscreen (and it's not like there's a shortage of white guys in media).

And if that alienates a chunk of the fanbase, then that particular chunk of the fanbase has problems that making The Doctor a white guy from Gallifrey again won't fix.


Do you really think Ripley circa Aliens won't catch heat if the film were released today? You'd have a legion of guys online defending Carter Burke against than mean, unfeminine girl emasculating him (and then totally winning Mary Sue-style over yet another strong woman, the Xenomorph Queen, while the only other surviving white guy lies ripped in half in pool of milk-colored blood).

I dont think she would catch heat. Shes not a completely bald faced mary sue. Shes an actually well written and acted, as well as conservatively realistic character. Droves of people like her even today. So yeah. You're missing the point.

Ps: i believe in aliens 2 there is actually a character who although legitimately tough is clearly intended to mock people who like mary sues and she does so quite effectively. She dies like the rest if i remember correctly. Or at least needs ripley to save her. I believe both happen. Its been a while since i watched though. Either way i remember that she acheives her rhetorical function.

 

[wicked cool]

no as fans were clamoring for ripley to return-there was an alien script that would have brought her and hicks back but that got shelved for Prometheus 2.Main characters in those were strong femal characters and not Mary sues like Rey

I don't want to see the day were we return to the silly scream queens (my kids laugh when the heroine trips and flees when the killer is chasing them) and I don't want to see the days return where the first character killed in that movie was a minority and the white guy was left standing in the end

I want Night of the living dead where the last survivor is the smartest or the luckiest and I don't care what color or sex they are

the female narrative works such as the hunger games.

im sorry but these companions on new Dr who are terrible.

Yaz-sorry awful compared to almost every supporting companion and not as good as supporting characters on torchwood

Mickey smith way more interesting than Ryan-Its not race its acting

these characters are boring. The 5th Dr had 3 companions at a time and I'm sorry it worked better. Adric, Nyssa and Tegan were better characters. When Tegan left the show I kept hoping she would come back

Ive been following this show for a long time and its bad and its destroying itself

 

[Morrus]

This is not going to turn into yet another derailment into somebody ranting about diversity in media. Take that crap elsewhere, please.

 

[DwarfHammer]

When I was growing up all my media heroes were white men. Spock & Kirk, Bond, James Bond, Rick Blaine in his bar over in Casablanca.

The thing is, I'm not a white man. I can't pass for a white man, even, though I'm told I can easily pass for Chinese (but I'm not Chinese).

So whenever read the complaint about 'less white male characters', I gotta admit my first thought is: What the hell is wrong with these people? Why can't they identify with a protagonist who isn't white or isn't a guy or who might even be a woman of color (gasp!). Because, if you're not a white guy, you've learned to do your entire life. And it's fine. It's not a bad thing. Heck, I prefer Mr. Spock to Mr. Sulu, even though I resemble and share a bit of heritage with Mr. Takei and not Mr. Nimoy.

But sometimes it's nice to see yourself onscreen (and it's not like there's a shortage of white guys in media).

And if that alienates a chunk of the fanbase, then that particular chunk of the fanbase has problems that making The Doctor a white guy from Gallifrey again won't fix.


Do you really think Ripley circa Aliens won't catch heat if the film were released today? You'd have a legion of guys online defending Carter Burke against than mean, unfeminine girl emasculating him (and then totally winning Mary Sue-style over yet another strong woman, the Xenomorph Queen, while the only other surviving white guy lies ripped in half in pool of milk-colored blood).

You are absolutely right. I will never be able to enjoy doctor who after what chibnal did to it. It’s just the way it is. I won’t be able to enjoy the character. I
Enjoy Luke Cage and cyborg and many others. It’s when they switch things up. Let’s have a black James Bond. I don’t like that. Create a new character like they did with John Stewart. Don’t rename him Hal Jordan. Love Captain Jack. Don’t twist the doctors character and make him something he’s not. Black panther love him. Wonder Woman, lover her. Just keep making cool characters and not ruin ones that already exist. There’s nothing wrong with being a man’s man. Make Clinton Eastwood and rocky like characters with balls. Wyatt Earp and so forth.

 

[Morrus]

You are absolutely right. I will never be able to enjoy doctor who after what chibnal did to it. It’s just the way it is. I won’t be able to enjoy the character. I
Enjoy Luke Cage and cyborg and many others. It’s when they switch things up. Let’s have a black James Bond. I don’t like that. Create a new character like they did with John Stewart. Don’t rename him Hal Jordan. Love Captain Jack. Don’t twist the doctors character and make him something he’s not. Black panther love him. Wonder Woman, lover her. Just keep making cool characters and not ruin ones that already exist. There’s nothing wrong with being a man’s man. Make Clinton Eastwood and rocky like characters with balls. Wyatt Earp and so forth.

I literally JUST wanted against do this. Don't post in this thread again, please.