D&D and the rising pandemic

[Sadras]

I'm sorry, but this is complete bollocks, and dangerous to boot. If you (general you, I assume you personally aren't such an idiot) don't think this is a pandemic, that coronavius kills, and that lockdown and social distancing should end, then you're going to be directly responsible for death on a large scale. That's not just idiocy when that opinion continues after being told otherwise, that's wilful stupidity that endangers actual human lives, and even more trrible, you're risking the lives of your friends and loved ones, and will be reponsible for their deaths. Anyone that thinks that way should be ashamed of themselves.

The problem with this that in general people do not trust the same sources of information.

EDIT: Especially when those same sources ensures all dissenting views are "stamped out". Authoritarian nations get a bad rap for this kind of behaviour.

 

[Lem23]

The problem with this that in general people do not trust the same sources of information.

If only there were several groups of highly trained people who specialise in this, have worked on it all their lives, have conducted research into similar viruses and pandemics, and have experience working with similar cases. And if only they had some kind of common agreement on this. And if only we had a definition of the word epidemic, and data to show whether coronavirus fits that description or not.

Man, if only, eh?

 

[Deset Gled]

This is not helpful discourse.

You may be more polite that Lem about, but trying to make some claim that this isn't a pandemic and that there's some kind of disagreement in the medical community about the severity of COVID19 is much less helpful discourse than anything than you might find mildly insulting. I'd go as far as to say that what you're selling is downright dangerous.

 

[Sadras]

If only there were several groups of highly trained people who specialise in this, have worked on it all their lives, have conducted research into similar viruses and pandemics, and have experience working with similar cases. And if only they had some kind of common agreement on this. And if only we had a definition of the word epidemic, and data to show whether coronavirus fits that description or not.

Man, if only, eh?

You act as if there is only one voice in all this when I have clearly provided others in the link and I have reflected on censorship which exists on this topic. In South Africa 19 doctors today signed an open letter to the nation's president requesting that he end the lockdown.

I suppose both sides can use this There are none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[FrozenNorth]

Plenty of independent medical professionals online provide opposing views if you are able to find them given youtube's new policy of stifling opposing views. One should also not forget the moratorium on medical professionals working at government hospitals from speeking publically - failure to abide could cost them their jobs.

No, I get it. It is a conspiracy. The fact that there is no evidence is also part of the conspiracy.

Don’t listen to the epidemiologists, listen to some off-brand video by someone who claims to be a doctor and makes you feel intelligent because of course, you saw through the conspiracy.

 

[Sadras]

You may be more polite that Lem about, but trying to make some claim that this isn't a pandemic and that there's some kind of disagreement in the medical community about the severity of COVID19 is much less helpful discourse than anything than you might find mildly insulting. I'd go as far as to say that what you're selling is downright dangerous.

Maybe. What is dangerous though is a worldwide lockdown and censorship on voices.

 

[Sadras]

No, I get it. It is a conspiracy. The fact that there is no evidence is also part of the conspiracy.

Don’t listen to the epidemiologists, listen to some off-brand video by someone who claims to be a doctor and makes you feel intelligent because of course, you saw through the conspiracy.

If you want to discuss epidemiologists I suggest you look in Dr Ioannides of Stanford.

 

[Lem23]

You act as if there is only one voice in all this when I have clearly provided others in the link and I have reflected on censorship which exists on this topic. In South Africa 19 doctors today signed an open letter to the nation's president requesting that he end the lockdown.

There are almost 37,000 medical doctors in South Africa. I'm sure if I started a petition amongst them that claimed that eating cheese cured cancer, I'd be able to persuade 19 of them to sign it. And that's just medical doctors. In other cases like this, oftentimes the "experts" aren't experts in that field, but are instead doctors in subjects like engineering.

Seriously, if you think that this is all a hoax, you're going to be responsible for the deaths of your loved ones and friends. I can't put it any plainer than that. If you're doing this to troll, go and do it in a 4e thread or something rather than one where actual peoples' lives are at risk. If you seriously believe in the crap you've been spouting, against the vasty overwhleming evidence against your position, then please read up on it. Look at the stats on how many people have died so far, and how many more could be affected. If that doesn't change your mind, then at the very least, please stay away from other people rather than put their lives at risk. This may be some weird philosophical hill that you're willing to metaphorically die on for whatever insane reason you've come to this through, but there's an actual, literal, mounting number of dead people, and a lot more people who are likely to die before this is over. Don't add to it.

 

[Sadras]

No, I get it. It is a conspiracy. The fact that there is no evidence is also part of the conspiracy.

Don’t listen to the epidemiologists, listen to some off-brand video by someone who claims to be a doctor and makes you feel intelligent because of course, you saw through the conspiracy.

How about the open letter to Chancellor Dr Angela Merkel by Dr Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz.

 

[Lem23]

Maybe. What is dangerous though is a worldwide lockdown and censorship on voices.

Are you naughty word kidding?

Jesus.