D&D and the rising pandemic

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests (Published 2020)

In seven hard-hit states, total deaths are nearly 50 percent higher than normal, according to new C.D.C. statistics, suggesting that the virus has killed far more people than the number in official counts.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

There are a few key differences here, though. I'm not defending China, I think they caused a ton of problems and probably could've stopped the disease in its tracks before this pandemic became a problem for other countries, but these are different circumstances. We know how to beat this disease, but the government officials are trying to get us to restart the economy while not telling the truth about how bad the disease is.

Respectfully, I disagree.

Lying to entice your citizens that it is safe to go about their daily business is not significantly different than telling other countries that the disease outbreak is not as bad as it actually is. They are two faces on the same die. The political and economic motives are the same.

And arguably, the states’ actions are worse: China lied at the very beginning of the outbreak, operating with very little knowledge about how the disease works. Since then, we’ve accumulated data from months worth of research by hundreds of scientists around the world. That means the people who made the decisions to mislead the public did so with much more knowledge of the risks they were enticing people to assume. It’s Mayor Vaughn of Amity Island on a bigger scale.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

And arguably, the states’ actions are worse

That is the exact point I was trying to make. They know how bad it is, know how to fix it for the time being, and are still forcing people to work and possibly risk their health and lives.
China knew they had a disease, and should've done more to stop it, but they didn't have much information, and should not have done what they did. We have a ton more research and information that people are choosing to hide or ignore. China's choices were bad, selfish, and destructive with limited information. Certain states's actions are bad, selfish, destructive, and arguably evil with more information and plans on how to properly open up.

 

[Zardnaar]

That is the exact point I was trying to make. They know how bad it is, know how to fix it for the time being, and are still forcing people to work and possibly risk their health and lives.
China knew they had a disease, and should've done more to stop it, but they didn't have much information, and should not have done what they did. We have a ton more research and information that people are choosing to hide or ignore. China's choices were bad, selfish, and destructive with limited information. Certain states's actions are bad, selfish, destructive, and arguably evil with more information and plans on how to properly open up.

Problem is they kinda have to open up soon anyway.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Problem is they kinda have to open up soon anyway.

Why do we have to open soon? We can stay inside longer if we play things right.

 

[Eltab]

Why do we have to open soon? We can stay inside longer if we play things right.

You may have that luxury, but other people do not. They have to balance multiple competing priorities and do the best they can at it.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

You may have that luxury, but other people do not. They have to balance multiple competing priorities and do the best they can at it.

No, the government should and can give everyone that luxury. More stimulus checks, increasing taxes on the uber-rich to pay for food for everyone, negating rent and taxes on those that can't afford it.

They government isn't doing the best they can to keep the american people safe.

 

[Zardnaar]

No, the government should and can give everyone that luxury. More stimulus checks, increasing taxes on the uber-rich to pay for food for everyone, negating rent and taxes on those that can't afford it.

They government isn't doing the best they can to keep the american people safe.

It's called reality.

We have a well run country and lockdown lasted 7 weeks roughly.

We couldn't have kept it up much longer. A few weeks perhaps.

By June I expect most places reopening to some extent regardless.

We ran out of a few basics. Very light compared to other parts of the world. And we've "defeated" Covid.

In hindsight assuming a perfect response full lockdown mid February, with something like what we did.

But no one was aware in mid February to that extent.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

It's called reality.

Maybe the reality of your country, but in America, we both have the means of prolonging the lockdown, but also the need to do so. We will have many more cases once we fully open up. America didn't even fully lockdown, doesn't still have sufficient testing, and did not properly respond to the pandemic. We can't half-ass the pandemic response, and then say, "It'll be hard to stay locked down, even if it will save lives, but I really like money, so we're opening up."

 

[Zardnaar]

Maybe the reality of your country, but in America, we both have the means of prolonging the lockdown, but also the need to do so. We will have many more cases once we fully open up. America didn't even fully lockdown, doesn't still have sufficient testing, and did not properly respond to the pandemic. We can't half-ass the pandemic response, and then say, "It'll be hard to stay locked down, even if it will save lives, but I really like money, so we're opening up."

It's not about money even though those in power are driving their decisions about it.

At the most basic level food still has to be produced and essentials have to be shipped.

Ideally everyone grabs 60000 calories and stays at home for a month.

There's also an element of classism at play. Why should we suffer while the middle class and better hides?

Most jobs can't be done from home. Cabin fever is a thing.