D&D 5E Better Leonin

[Leatherhead]

I like the +2 con if only because it's not +dex or +cha.

We could really do with more +int races, but that doesn't seem particularly "lionish".

 

[Benjamin Olson]

Its a longset fantasy thing. In D&D alone Tortles and various forms of cat and dog people date back to 1E. Tortles and Aarakocra especially have their fans as well, and Dragonborn definitely fill a niche that older races weren't filling

There being tribes of dog-headed people off at the edge of the world was a common Greco-Roman mythological belief (leading, bizarrely, to the belief that St. Christopher was one). But yes, most of this sort of stuff is very much fantasy at it's cheesiest and something you either really love or really hate or just kind of don't see the point of.

 

[Xenonnonex]

Lions themselves aren’t that charismatic, though. More than tigers, sure, being more social, but they’re still territorial jerks.

And there are plenty of Cha races already.

But most importantly, Cha isn’t needed to be proud, Noble, etc. They can intimidate with strength at most tables, and their story in the world they come from is more important than a generalized idea of what lions represent.

Not meant to represent lions. But what they symbolize. More people should use variant skill checks.

 

[Benjamin Olson]

We could really do with more +int races, but that doesn't seem particularly "lionish".

We could really do with having something to do with intelligence other than wizardry, artifice, and some skills.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Not meant to represent lions. But what they symbolize. More people should use variant skill checks.

Eh, the race isn’t meant to represent what lions symbolically represent in western iconography.

Hobestly, you’d have gotten less tangential argument had you just called it an alternate take, rather than claiming improvement.

 

[Xenonnonex]

Eh, the race isn’t meant to represent what lions symbolically represent in western iconography.

Hobestly, you’d have gotten less tangential argument had you just called it an alternate take, rather than claiming improvement.

The Theros leonin exists. These are not meant to be those. Inverted commas have been used in a subsequent post.

 

[Todd Roybark]

Dragonborn definitely fill a niche that older races weren't filling

Is bulimic Paladin, spewing elemental bile after eating during a rest, really a crucial niche?

BEST LEONIN
Ability Scores: Cha +1, Str +1, Wis +1

So subpar Triton is the best Lion-Man.

 

[Xenonnonex]

So subpar Triton is the best Lion-Man.

Well. Tritons were created under immense pressure.

 

[Mecheon]

Is bulimic Paladin, spewing elemental bile after eating during a rest, really a crucial niche?

Playable dragon-y folks who are viable in a party and balanced. They're the end of stuff like Draconians or Dragonkin existing

 

[Todd Roybark]

I know Draconians, Draconians are friends of mine, Dragonborn are no Draconians.