D&D 5E How should be the future Oriental Adventures.

[tommybahama]

I was curious about this and Googled around. Found a number of places that said that the 10% number is often cited, but comes from a non-scientific opinion poll, and that more rigorous research has shown it's really about 50%, shooting up to 2/3 among those who engage in traditional practices.

Okay, you got me to Google around and I found the 'more scientific' study you found. Their polling data was heavily skewed toward women and LGBTQ (69% of those polled so it is not representative of the population) which they stated had a stronger bias against the mascots than men. Still, only 49% of the poll found the mascots offensive. Also, I thought it was disingenuous to add an "indifferent" group to make the "offensive" group appear larger in their graph. I think we can conclude the opposition to the mascots is a minority and my suspicion that the opposition to the term Oriental among Asians is probably a minority as well. Surprisingly, I could not find a poll among Asians regarding the word.

 

[Xenonnonex]

If Asians are saying oriental is a word they dislike. Because of racist connotations. Because of outdated concepts. Listen. And do not use it.
Do not simply decide this should be kept because of nostalgia. Do not simply decide this is okay because of perceived and biased opinions.
The world has progressed. Involve cultural consultants.

 

[Orcslayer78]

I very much doubt it. Kamigawa block performed very poorly and the higher-ups would much rather sweep it under the rug and make a new setting to fill the same niche than revive it.

I understand, I've always hated the game itself, so I'm not a great expert of it, I just like the various settings.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

If Asians are saying oriental is a word they dislike. Because of racist connotations. Because of outdated concepts. Listen. And do not use it.
Do not simply decide this should be kept because of nostalgia. Do not simply decide this is okay because of perceived and biased opinions.
The world has progressed. Involve cultural consultants.

Like a lot of other words, on its own, there is nothing wrong, but it is how people use those words, whether intentionally in a hateful way or unintentionally in a passive bigoted way, that makes the words no longer acceptable for general use when talking about other human beings.

 

[Mercurius]

I understand, I've always hated the game itself, so I'm not a great expert of it, I just like the various settings.

Me too, although "hate" is too strong a word. I've always mehed the game, but love the settings.

 

[Tonguez]

WOTC keeps adding MAGIC the Gathering settings to D&D, so the next Oriental Adventure will be for sure Kamigawa, then people on DMGuild will use the rules and subclasses in Kamigawa to build stuff for Kara-Tur as well.

Tarkir was also a Magic setting and is a much much better setting for adaption to DnD (even with the timey-whimey bits)

 

[Orcslayer78]

Me too, although "hate" is too strong a word. I've always mehed the game, but love the settings.

No for me is literally hate, for personal reasons: my group was having so much fun with D&D (BECMI and AD&D 2e at the time) and then when Magic came out everyone went crazy for it, abandoning D&D.
Where there was cohoperation now there were challenges, where there was playing all together now there was many 1vs1, where there was inclusivity now people who didn't spend a fortune in cards was left out of the game.

 

[Zardnaar]

Problem with Kamigawa block was it came after a high powered block in mirrordin and the pure awesome that was Ravnica block.

Kamigawa had 1 card worth money, most of the rest was eh.

 

[cbwjm]

What we did for Mythological Figures & Maleficent Monsters was recruit cultural consultants to assist us with a variety of different cultural figures. I think this is essential, and if WotC were to make a book based on non-Western cultures they would need to do that (and I'm sure they would).

Wasn't there already some announcement that they were hiring some cultural consultants? I'm like 90% certain I saw something about that here or on Reddit.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

I remember when Warner Bros wanted to ban Speedy Gonzalez because they thought now was politically correct and then Mexicans said they loved that character very much. We know Speedy Gonzales is a complete stereotype but that doesn't mean with racist intentions.

Avatar: the last airbender and Legend of Korra are examples of "western Wuxia" (or western xuanhuan). Has anybody complain about that?

I really worrry about Chinese censure, not only about undead and dead corpses in World of Warcraft, but even an innocent character as Winnie the Pooth is censored. Even current Chinese censorship starts to dislike fantasy with spiritual elements or stories set in the (pre-revolution) imperial age (I read about that in the Epoch Times time ago, I can't find the original source). And today China isn't the queen bee in the high-school (but this would be another thread and it's not to talk about here)

Sometimes accidentaly we can cause serious controversies. For example a story about somebody who proclaim himself as the prophet of the lengs (dragons), creating a new religion, and later a civil war. Most of people would understand really it's an allegory about Hong Xiuquang and the Taiping rebellion, but somebody later could notice really a hard satire against Martin Luther, John Calvin and the Protestan Reformation.

* Let's imagine there is a "Oriental" characters but with some negative traits, a cop or law agent who doesn't want to work. Somebody could say it's a racist stereotype but really the intention by the author (maybe with Asian origin) was a little homage to the comedy manga KochiKame.

* I guess we could see some "Oriental" civilitation without true links with any real country, for example with an alphabet like the Korean but too big empire to be an analogy of Korea.

* I have notice D&D is too "cosmopolitan" for speculative fiction with Asian roots. Most of Asian fantasy is human-centric, and only now some humanoid races start to appear in videogames.

* If psionic powers are added to the SRD, why not also the "wuxia/xuanhuan" elements?

* Could WotC to publish a 5th Ed of the races from "Play Manga d20" (at least with a licecing agremeent)?

Races 種族 – d20 Anime SRD

* Would be right the title: "Kara-Tur: adventures in eastern lands"?

* What races and classes should come back? would any PC race need any retcon? are too powerful the hengeyokai with the shapesifter traits?

* My opinion is there is a open door to reintroduce the "xuanhuan" PCs, like titles in DM Guilds, to know the feedback, and later a compliation of PC races, monsters and classes in a "Xuanhuan/Wulin player handbook".