Chaosmancer
Legend
1. I am not the poster who mentioned "play better, think more, be better players". I am happy that 5e was designed as a super smooth entryway for HUGE amounts of new players to pick up and learn tabletop RPGs. I don't demand that any table play in any way that they don't find fun for themselves. I don't think that general design for 5e should veer from this zone of complexity.
I never said you were that poster.
But from your edit of my quote, your disagreement with my statement, and your utter dismissal by saying you would "help prvent him from screaming into the wind" by laying out false reasons and false conclusions that made it seem like even discussing was a waste of time, you certainly took on an appearance of agreeing with his post.
2. I am more of a boardgamer than I am an RPGer nowadays. I have the same username on BGG if you want to scope out my pedigree. I understand the concept of weight. I am happy that 5e is of similar weight in the RPG world as, say, Pandemic is in the boardgame world. Pandemic is a great example, actually, in that it has sold massive amounts of copies BECAUSE OF it's easily accessible design. The second expansion for Pandemic, In the Lab, adds at least another half-point of complexity in curing the diseases because it wanted to give the big fans something more to dig their teeth into when playing the game. Its optional. It doesn't have to hit the table, but it is there for those that want to explore it. My brother, who owns Pandemic as a casual boardgamer has no interest in In the Lab, and may not even know it exists. He is happy to play the base game and move on. The existance of some optional heavier rules isn't impacting his love of the game at all.
Two things
1) I could not assume you were aware, but thank you for telling me that you have a pedigree.
2) Samloyal did not seem to present his position as one about optional rules. His post read to me as a desire to rewrite 5e magic from the ground up, Which would be taking Pandemic and redesigning it to be a completely different game. Now, I could be way off about that, but that was the feel I got from his message.
Which, goes against what you seem to be implying you are for, which are crunchier, optional rules. He seems like he wants a crunchier, core system.
That is exactly what people like myself are SCREAMING about with 5e. Yes, we have a great introductory game. Yes it sells like hotcakes. Yes we have millions of new players...that's all awesome. But that doesn't mean that every release for 5e ever has to adhere to that same level of design. Give the hardcore fans something to sink their teeth into. Who cares if it doesn't sell as well? Make it a downloadable supplement. Make it a small part of a Tasha's book that can be ignored if desired. Just give fans who want a little bit more Weight in their game SOMETHING in the 5 years the game has been in print.
I can empathize with the desire for something. But, this seems to be a desire to make the core experience of psionics for the base game, highly complex and breaking multiple different design goals.
And WoTC has allowed a lot of downloadable supplements and other resources for weighter play. But, Tasha's isn't a niche product. Psionics is something they are trying to make sure can integrate with the core play experience. I fully agree that something more complex would be welcome. I just don't see that happening with a major book release meant to expand the core game.
That is what the fan content and DMs Guild sponsored content is for.
3. My initial response to correct your statement was because you were representing ME by saying "The rest of us" and then saying something opposite of how I feel. Even when you boil down "the rest of us" to just the users on this thread, you still aren't speaking for everyone.
A fair point, but thus are the limits of language. "Me and the majority of people I have talked with and interacted with within the scope of this community" is a bit more a mouthful. The rest of us was clearly not all inclusive, because that could be the rest of the planet earth too, which is clearly wrong since most of them don't care about DnD.
But your correction goes beyond making sure it is known that you are not part of the group I am speaking about, replacing it with "I" to make it seem like I am the solitary and only person who feels this way. Which is equally innaccurate and false.