Yes! If I'm reducing a players fun they are free to find a different DM that won't reduce their fun.
Life sucks! Get over yourself!
Exactly! Sorry, but there are so many avenues for gaming that if a player can't find a way to play they aren't trying very hard.
Not Max. But...exactly! That's how I end up with a game where both I and the players are having fun. The other way is either, I am not having fun, or the player isn't having fun. I'm not interested in not having fun in a game I'm running! If a player refuses to work with what I find fun, they get the boot.
The players don't have to deal with that at all, they know where the door is!
And this sort of selfish attitude is why this thread is 87 pages long. Because as long as you (general you for the DM) are having fun, no one elses fun matters. And that's fine, until a player comes with that same attitude, and then they are a problem.
The only thing changing is whether you are a DM or a player, not the attitude, and you go from being kicked out of tables to being praised.
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Let's go to rural Kentucky and ask around.
You think people in Rural Kentucky have never heard of Halley's comet? When it has been a known and celebrated phenomena for centuries? Get real dude.
They don't have to know about Rakshasas specifically to know that there are lots of humanoid cat monsters.
Except there aren't. Like... none.
Weretigers, Rakshasa and Tabaxi are it, there are no other humanoid cats in DnD 5e at all. So if they know about more cat monsters, it is because the DM chose to add more cat monsters from 3rd party sources.
That is exactly the attitude you painted.
Then if there's a conflict that you and the DM cannot resolve without one of you having your enjoyment reduced, you will need to leave to find a game where you can have fun. That way you both have fun.
Case in point, if the player's fun would be reduced, DM doesn't have to do anything. DMs fun would be reduced though, and the player either needs to change or leave.
Why would I feel bad that someone went to a game where they would have more fun? Enjoyment is what I want for my players, but not at the expense of my own. Nobody should be shortchanged on that front.
You missed the first part, "and if they can't", meaning that they can't find a game that they would have more fun in. But that doesn't matter. They have left your table and secured your enjoyment, so what happens later doesn't matter.
Maybe they finally get desperate enough for a game they will accept your ultimatums and bend down to your whims, but if they don't return to your table, you'll never know.
There is no change to how the game plays mechanically. None.
And yet, a mechanical change was made, because the option of taking a Dwarf was removed. Which also removes the ability to take any feat related to dwarves, the dwarvish language, removes the option of attuning to dwarf specific items... you know, mechanical changes.
What novel? I haven't gone outside of 5e for any of my arguments, except to county your outside of 5e arguments.
You mean you didn't quote this?
"Halisstra opened her eyes and found herself drifting in an endless silver sea. Soft gray clouds moved slowly in the distance, while strange dark streaks twisted violently through the sky, anchored in ends so distant she couldn’t perceive them, their middle parts revolving angrily like pieces of string rolled between a child’s fingertips. She glanced down, wondering what supported her, and saw nothing but more of the strange pearly sky beneath her feet and all around her.
She drew in a sudden breath, surprised by the sight, and felt her lungs fill with something sweeter and perhaps a little more solid than air, but instead of gagging or drowning on the stuff she seemed perfectly acclimated to it. An electric thrill raced through her limbs as she found herself mesmerized by the simple act of respiration."
Which is an excerpt from
Condemnation by Richard Baker, the Third Book in the War of the Spider Queen Series, which was reprinted as an excerpt, with full sourcing in the DMG?
Or, does that not count since they decided to put a quote from a book in the DMG, so it isn't actually quoting the novel, even though the only text you quoted was from the novel? (Spoiler alert, that isn't how quoting works, since you only quoted the text from Richard Baker's work, you were quoting him, otherwise I could say that I was quoting Alan Moore while quoting the passage from Percy Shelley's "Ozymandias" that Moore used in Watchmen, crediting Moore with a work that he did not write.)
Also, to reiterate, you were wrong, Tabaxi do have retractable claws.
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Apologies, I got the context of that discussion wrong. I do try new things, just more on along the lines of foods, and way less along the lines of what I do as a DM and sexy fun time stuff, with those I already know what I like and don't like. New TV shows or books are a big maybe as most IPs are poor rehashings of crap I've already encountered.
"Most IPs" isn't "everything. That was the point.
Declaring that you already know something will be stupid and you won't like it, even though you haven't tried it, is exactly the point I was making.
Wow, you have a very inflated sense of self-importance! Apologies that I am still inclined to disagree, but everything I have personally encountered says otherwise. Also, from what some other people on this thread were telling me earlier is that anyone's opinion on the subject of the merits of a literary work are just as valid as any others. So there!
Not self important, stating my own basis for knowledge.
Declaring that any work that includes any non-human sapient is immediately of a lesser quality than any work that only involves humans is flat wrong. It would be like saying that any sculptor made of stone is immediately an inferior piece of art compared to one made of metal. It makes no sense and ignores the very act of creativity itself.
You can have a preference, but your preference does not indicate quality.
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English major wow. That almost qualifies someone to ask "do you want fries with that".
Almost.
Dont make it personal, please!
Haha, very funny, look at me laughing.
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Kipo is wonderful, if somewhat... ragingly positive for many people. And yes, the story relies on non-human characters. In fact, no spoilers here, the basic conflict in the series is in the question, "Can humans get along with non-humans?"
Yeah, I watched the first seven episodes last night (quarantining so my sleep schedule is just... nonexistent) so I can definitely tell that the positivity is a bit... higher than average.
I like that though, so far, too much negativity is just grating.
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It's not a matter of more work. It's a matter of conflict. It's unacceptable for anyone to have their enjoyment reduced or ruined, so if a situation comes up where inclusion of a race would do that to the DM and lack of inclusion would do that to the player, one of them has to leave the game.
"The expulsions will continue until morale improves. If you aren't having fun, leave. Now, who wants to play."
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I don't want to be rude, but wow, you really live under a rock.
Beastars I can understand not knowing; it's a massive hit as far as Japanese animation goes but kind of obscure outside of that. Season 2 is coming out pretty soon to great anticipation.
Kipo's in the same boat; really good series from what I hear, huge hit in Western cartoon circles, less widely known outside of that area of interest. Season 3 recently aired.
I'm really surprised you don't know what RWBY or Steven Universe are though. Those series are/were huge in popular culture. The fandoms for those series are quite large, and can be a bit scary if I'm being honest.
I hadn't seen the trailer for seasons two before, that looks really interesting considering the things that we know.
Can't say I'm surprised about poor Bill though... and I say poor just because I'm trying not to hate the guy.
