So, Wandavision?

[pukunui]

This is post-Endgame, so Vision is dead. He is not real, or at least not yet, if some of the theories are to be believed.

He is supposed to be dead, yes. But whatever he is, I think he is still real. Real enough that the others can see him. Real enough that, as @Rune says, he can do things independently of Wanda. Real enough that she has to rewind/rewrite his memory to keep him from discovering the truth of their situation.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

He must at least be independent from Wanda’s control, because we see him think and react to things outside of her presence/perception. I haven’t ruled out the possibility that he is a construct of Wanda’s reality-bending that she has given an AI. Possibly un/subconsciously.

He is supposed to be dead, yes. But whatever he is, I think he is still real. Real enough that the others can see him. Real enough that, as @Rune says, he can do things independently of Wanda. Real enough that she has to rewind/rewrite his memory to keep him from discovering the truth of their situation.

But if someone, or some organization, is controlling this, and Wanda only has limited ability to adjust things, "Vision" could have been programmed to act just this way, to push her limits or something.

And since they seem to be using a lot of the comics storyline this is taken from, they may also be using other storylines involving Vision and his brain patterns/consciousness being merged with other characters, one of which is Wonderman, the same character still visible in the blurred out image of the storyboards from the Behind the Scenes interviews.

Just because we did not see it happen in a movie, does not mean it has not happened behind the scenes.

 

[pming]

Hiya!

I'm kinda digging it, tbh. I didn't think I would, but I am. A nice surprise!

As for what it "is" or what is "going on"... right from the trailers for it I got nothing but "Mojo World" vibes. I'm sure someone has mentioned this. For those that don't know what I'm talking about: "Mojo" is a powerful alien who rules an entire planet that is, effectively, hyper-focused on "TV Entertainment". Look up "X-Men Mojo World series". Had one of my all-time favourite characters in this one... "Spiral"! LOVE that character!

Another possibility I've considered... "The Shaper of Worlds". This would make sense in that it is "WANDAVision" and not "VISIONWanda" (well, that and the name... ; ) ). The Shaper is a "Cosmic Entity" classed 'bad guy' who can, quite literally, re-write reality on a global scale. He looks dumb af, imnsho, but his schtick is that he has no actual imagination himself...so he draws out from the peoples minds; think Matrix, but on steroids.

No matter the reason 'behind' the show...I am enjoying the "Super-Heroes in Pleasantville" vibe.

^_^

Paul L. Ming

 

[Rune]

But if someone, or some organization, is controlling this, and Wanda only has limited ability to adjust things, "Vision" could have been programmed to act just this way, to push her limits or something.

Maybe, but Vision’s confusion/suspicion while talking with Agnes and Herb about Monica seems incongruous with that. Agnes shouldn’t have to hide anything from him if he’s just a program. Unless she is representing a separate interest, of course.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Maybe, but Vision’s confusion/suspicion while talking with Agnes and Herb about Monica seems incongruous with that. Agnes shouldn’t have to hide anything from him if he’s just a program. Unless she is representing a separate interest, of course.

But if this is all in Wanda's head or something, why would there be any interaction at all between the other "residents" when out of her awareness/hearing/sight range? Like the stuff between the doctor and Vision at the doctor's house. And the doctor saying small towns are impossible to get away from? If everything is under her control, I would expect side bits like that would not happen.

Plus, that whole bit at the very end, showing the big military encampment and that force field bubble thing, made me think of it as a containment system keeping her in and not them trying to get in to her and get her out. But that part is hard to tell with a frame by frame look at that scene.

 

[Eric V]

The Vision here is a reconstruction by Wanda, to the best of her ability, which would include his inquisitive nature. I suppose then, that's why he starts to get suspicious...
...until she re-adjusts him.

That's my theory.

 

[Rune]

But if this is all in Wanda's head or something, why would there be any interaction at all between the other "residents" when out of her awareness/hearing/sight range? Like the stuff between the doctor and Vision at the doctor's house. And the doctor saying small towns are impossible to get away from? If everything is under her control, I would expect side bits like that would not happen.

Plus, that whole bit at the very end, showing the big military encampment and that force field bubble thing, made me think of it as a containment system keeping her in and not them trying to get in to her and get her out. But that part is hard to tell with a frame by frame look at that scene.

Agreed. If it’s all Wanda’s construct, at least some of the residents would seem to be capable of independent thought (and may not be native).

Since you mention the outside world, did anyone else notice that there’s a billboard for West View on the outside? Monica goes flying past it. I wonder how that features in.

 

[pukunui]

Since you mention the outside world, did anyone else notice that there’s a billboard for West View on the outside? Monica goes flying past it. I wonder how that features in.

That's what makes me wonder if perhaps it's a real town that she has "taken over" by encasing it in a bubble or something. The neighbors are real people that she's brainwashed / mind-controlled / otherwise convinced to play along (or are actors who are being paid to play along) or something.

 

[Imaculata]

Given the fact that we saw a SWORD operative talking to Wanda through the radio, asking who was doing this to her, it seems a fair bet that SWORD is investigating Wanda's world and trying to help her. The billboard was a good catch. This does imply that not all of Westview is of her making. In fact, her two neighbors hint at Vision that they are all trapped here.

Was the beekeeper a first attempt by SWORD to inject an operative? It seems they are trying to make Wanda remember her trauma in order to put an end to her reality bending pocket dimension and free the people trapped within.

It also seems Vision is a completely reconstructed self aware and independently thinking being. He is real, but a copy I think, created by Wanda, and kept in the dark about reality. She literally seems to brainwash him when he starts to catch on.

 

[Rune]

Was the beekeeper a first attempt by SWORD to inject an operative? It seems they are trying to make Wanda remember her trauma in order to put an end to her reality bending pocket dimension and free the people trapped within.

Monica has been in since episode 1. Although, she didn’t seem to remember her name or mission.

Edited to reflect my error: Monica sppears in episode 2, not 1.