So, Wandavision?

[Zaukrie]

Big fan, and I have not read any of your conjecture, because I just want to experience it......

 

[trappedslider]

Bewitched started in black and white and made the transition to color. So, in a sense we are modernizing, and also still calling back to the motif of the original TV show.
Good thing we didn't change husbands.

I could make an immature joke about switching dicks.....

 

[ART!]

If Wanda is controlling the fantasy reality . . . she's doing it subconsciously and without a conscious realization of what's going on. And even if that is the case, it doesn't rule out someone else's involvement . . . S.W.O.R.D. or perhaps something or someone more sinister . . .

Her rewinding of the scene with the "beekeeper" shows that she is conscious of the unreality going on, at least at some level. She sees that person, realizes they don't belong in this reality, says "No" in a very out-of-character (the sitcom character) way, and rewinds.

 

[MarkB]

So, let us lay out how it looks...

There's the fight in Wakanda at the end of Infinity War. Vision is killed, Wanda dies in the Snap.
Wanda comes back along with everyone else in Endgame, and she is Very Ticked Off, fights in that battle.

Afterwards... Vision is still dead. You could imagine, for example, that SWORD has picked up Vision's body - the thing that made him live was extraterrestrial. She goes to them to see him, maybe to try to revive him. They aren't horrible, so they allow it...

...And seeing him lying there is too much, and she goes down the rabbit hole. You could imagine Monica Rambeau (and possible other SWORD agents) being in the room at the time, and getting dragged down with her. Either SWORD recognizes they are out of their area of expertise and cooperates with Harkness, or Harkness, realizing the issue, enters independently with her own powers. Her rabbit hole is still in a SWORD facility, and they are trying to initiate contact...

Okay, that hangs together well enough.

There are variations one could easily imagine. Like, this is all the result of her trying to forge a replacement for the Mind Stone that animated Vision. And maybe Harkness is a red herring, just another SWORD agent.

Or... Sentient Weapon... SWORD has decided to use what's left of Vision as the core for their systems, and Wanda is having None Of That, and the rabbit hole happens as she's trying to break him out of SWORD....

A couple more things to mention.

Wanda had to see Vision die twice. First she killed him herself, then Thanos reversed time and killed him again. So that has to really suck.

But before all that, Shuri was well on the way to fully mapping out Vision's consciousness before he was forced onto the field. It's ambiguous as to how complete that process was, but I find it hard to believe that they threw that whole sequence in there for no reason. At least some portion - maybe even the majority - of Vision may exist in some form on Wakandan computers. I feel like that has to play into this in some fashion.

 

[ART!]

A couple more things to mention.

Wanda had to see Vision die twice. First she killed him herself, then Thanos reversed time and killed him again. So that has to really suck.

But before all that, Shuri was well on the way to fully mapping out Vision's consciousness before he was forced onto the field. It's ambiguous as to how complete that process was, but I find it hard to believe that they threw that whole sequence in there for no reason. At least some portion - maybe even the majority - of Vision may exist in some form on Wakandan computers. I feel like that has to play into this in some fashion.

And given the tragic passing of Chadwick Boseman, spending a little time on that Wakandan angle as a way to boost the prominence of one or more characters from Black Panther seems like a very good idea.

 

[Umbran]

Her rewinding of the scene with the "beekeeper" shows that she is conscious of the unreality going on, at least at some level.

"Conscious, on some level," is not what I'd call it. She seems to be following a fairly common (though inaccurate) media depiction of mental illness, in which a subsoncsious desire momentarily asserts itself as conscious action.

She sees that person, realizes they don't belong in this reality, says "No" in a very out-of-character (the sitcom character) way, and rewinds.

I read that less a "he does not belong" and more like, "I do not want you here."

 

[ART!]

"Conscious, on some level," is not what I'd call it. She seems to be following a fairly common (though inaccurate) media depiction of mental illness, in which a subsoncsious desire momentarily asserts itself as conscious action.



I read that less a "he does not belong" and more like, "I do not want you here."

That is some grade-A nitpicking, but sure. I say this as a pedant myself.

 

[Umbran]

That is some grade-A nitpicking, but sure. I say this as a pedant myself.

Well, when you are talking about a mystery where you have very little information, the details are all you have to work with. As we get more information, they'll become less meaningful.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Read an interview earlier today with Paul Bettany where he says an end-credits scene for Endgame had to be cut that showed Wanda visiting Vision in the morgue, which was somehow supposed to connect the movie to this series.

 

[pukunui]

Well, that was interesting! A few more clues laid out.