D&D 5E 20th level Sorcerer vs the world

[Jfdlsjfd]

They dont know that was Planar Binded, Sorry. Subtle spells are imperceptible.
Really? 30 INT doesnt know what is a Wizard. Hahah

Yes, but the spellcaster ACTUALLY GIVING THE ORDER, which isn't part of the spell, is EMINENTLY perceptible. How can you imagine anyone obeying orders if he can't perceive the order given... That's when Sul Khathesh killed the Moronic One, when he gave orders AFTER SHE SUCCESSFULLY resisted the spell. Given enough try, she'll fail the saving throw, but she won't let Moronic Out get out saying "sorry to have bothered you with my order, see you soon!".

 

[Eltab]

Subtle spells are imperceptible.

That sentence does not mean what you think it means.
The target may not notice the caster casting, but he will notice the effects of the spell.
Are you ready to say the message you send is imperceptible too? If so, your target goes on about his doings, ignoring you.

 

[Hohige]

That sentence does not mean what you think it means.
The target may not notice the caster casting, but he will notice the effects of the spell.
Are you ready to say the message you send is imperceptible too? If so, your target goes on about his doings, ignoring you.

No It wont. It Just feel compelled to follow The mental command. That ALL.
The effect isnt obvious.

 

[Ovinomancer]

No It wont. It Just feel compelled to follow The mental command. That ALL.
The effect isnt obvious.

So it doesn't do anything, because the effect isn't obvious. Cool. Back to your drawing board, because no one notices and so doesn't do anything.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

Juiblex: "I feel strangely compelled to do something".
Yeenoghu: "Same here, but I don't know what".
Baphomet: "I notice an odd small guy here, he's fuming... do you think it's related?"
Zuggtmoy: "Maybe, but I can't perceive what he wants us to do."
Yeenoghu: "Let's be silent so we hear better."
All: "..."
Moronic One: yells imperceptibly
All: "..." (intently listening...)
Juiblex: "It's hopeless. I can't perceive what he wants to do. Let's go to bar instead"
Baphomet: "Are we supposed to do nothing in particular, then?"
Zuggtmoy: "Guess so. If he wanted us to do something, he'd give us orders we could perceive."
Yeenoghu: "This world is beyond silly, isn't it?"
Pantless Innkeeper: "If only you knew..."

 

[gigawatt]

I am late to the party but has he explained how he has all of the Magen and hasn't depleted all of his hit points from the Create Magen spell?

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

He actually at some point provided a build which had the Sorcerer (the Squishy One) having... 1 HP.

 

[gigawatt]

So he is saying he is going to Planar Bind Sul-Katesh in order to not be killed? How is he going to last an hour standing next to Sul-Katesh casting Planar Binding?

edit - (Sul will kill the Squishy One with an unarmed strike)

 

[Benjamin Olson]

I am late to the party but has he explained how he has all of the Magen and hasn't depleted all of his hit points from the Create Magen spell?

I'm wondering the same thing and I've been watching this thread from the beginning, albeit not terribly consistantly. I'm pretty sure he has relied on just being vague about exactly how many he has and avoiding acknowledging when someone confronts him with cold hard Magen math.

But I think the Magen cheesing builds era has passed in the thread and the last however many hundred posts have largely been arguments about whether cheesing subtle spell metamagic prevents the other side from even knowing they are effected by a spell, even getting to roll initiative, or noticing that someone is casting a spell on them for an hour).

 

[gigawatt]

To be clear, if you are casting a spell that requires costly components, such as planar binding, the casting is NOT imperceptible. Sul would not just sit there and watch as you sprinkle ruby dust at their feet. I will provide sources as it seems @Hohige doesn't like sources themself.

Subtle Spell doesn't remove material component, so a spell with "M" doesn't benefit?

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