D&D 5E 20th level Sorcerer vs the world

[prabe]

It's completely wrong.
He CW cast subtle spells and remain hidden.
Also, Subtle Counterspell can't be counterspelled.

So, you cast after some of the party scatter. It's clear the ambush isn't working. What are your likely options?

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

What does CW stands for? Complete Wuss?

 

[fearsomepirate]

Exactly, that all the cannot be surprise means. Nothing more.
Can't detect, feel or see nothing.
It's useless against CW tactic.

DM: Roll initiative:
You: Ok, my turn.
DM: What you will do?
You: What's happening?
DM: You don't know
You: Can I see something?
DM: No.
You: Can I detect something?
DM: No.
You:

They never roll initiative.

There's no combat without initiative in 5e.

 

[Hohige]

Might need to be level 2, to have Cunning Action and Hide as a Bonus Action.

Still, I agree: Boring.

He cannot attack an imperceptible creature, but the CW can cast subtle spells freely.
Anyway. The CW nullist his sneaky attack.

 

[Zio_the_dark]

The bard can just counterspell the original spell rather than the subtle counterpsell.
Anyone who played a bit of MTG will know what I mean

 

[Hohige]

There's no combat without initiative in 5e.

Yes, the combat never started against imperceptible creature and effects.
Only the CW acts.

 

[prabe]

He cannot attack an imperceptible creature, but the CW can cast subtle spells freely.
Anyway. The CW nullist his sneaky attack.

There's long been the possibility of a high-level rogue happening to be within 10' of him and automatically noticing him. But, I haven't been getting into that.

 

[Hohige]

The bard can just counterspell the original spell rather than the subtle counterpsell.
Anyone who played a bit of MTG will know what I mean

Subtle Spells can't be counterspell.
Also, the CW is casting spells hidden.
The bard cannot see or detect the bastion.
The Bard can't do nothing.
The Bastion just Subtle Dominate Person on his.
It's now my allie.

 

[prabe]

Yes, the combat never started against imperceptible creature and effects.
Only the CW acts.

Wrong. Acting against the PCs is initiating combat, so we roll Initiative.

There's a good chance the CW isn't the first to act.

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

The CW is imperceptible and remain hidden while casting subtle spells. and rogue attack can't be with advantage, no sneaky attack

The Complete Wuss is totally perceptible with -5 DEX and no spell on his spell list and the rogue doesn't need advantage. He can peel you with his dagger without sneak attack bonus as the Complete Wuss has exactly 1 HP.