So, Wandavision?

[doctorbadwolf]

She doesn't know she's controlling people...

...so, what? She thinks the' citizens are naturally stuck in a 50s type world? And then quickly and of their own will a 60s world?

When you say "she is happy in the bubble, and that she can control it" what is the "it" that does not involve the people?

She knows she can boot people, and control the bubble itself, ie the period, color, style, etc. She doesn’t seem to know she can make people act a certain way, and seem surprised or distressed when she sees direct evidence of that (usually from Agnes or Vision).

She definitely doesn’t know that she is causing the above to be the case, and even what I describe above she may not know at the start of episode 1.

She gains more understanding over the course of the show.

If you wanna complain that this is somehow unrealistic or unbelievable, go ahead, but it is what the show establishes as basically the major arc of the show.

 

[Tonguez]

Another thing

White Vision seemed to have the power to Phase etc even though he didnt have the Infinity Stone, albeit he was powered by residual magic funneled from the drone - so is Phasing a property of Vibranium and thus usable by anyone with a suffient quantity of the stuff?

 

[FitzTheRuke]

She specifically explained several times that she didn't know what was going on and argued with people that she was doing anything, until it was shown to her (in the final episode) that the people were being hurt, and that she was the one doing it, and what did she do then? She shut the whole thing down (as soon as she finished beating the bad guy).

I didn't find the final episode to be as satisfying as the rest of the series (they had too much to do - they should have split it into two episodes and gave everyone, especially Monica, "Pietro", Darcy, and Hayward, more time to give depth to their final scenes.)

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Another thing

White Vision seemed to have the power to Phase etc even though he didnt have the Infinity Stone, albeit he was powered by residual magic funneled from the drone - so is Phasing a property of Vibranium and thus usable by anyone with a suffient quantity of the stuff?

It's just something that Vision can do. It's not a "normal" property of Vibranium, but Vibranium can do a lot of things if you know how to make it do it. I don't think it's about "quantity" of the stuff, but about understanding it (or lucking out) enough in your use of it that you can make it do things. Amazing things.

 

[Tonguez]

Go far enough back and the first wizards and witches didn't know what they were doing either. It's a rougher road, but you can learn from practice and trial and error.

Marvel canon is that Humans were taught magic by extra-dimensional powers and gods (Hecate, Cthon, Agamotto etc) so the first witches did have mentors available to teach/guide/manipulate/exploit them.

Those beings dont use spells, they are magical by nature - arguably the Scarlet Witch force which has come to Wanda is also at the level of those Magical-by-nature Powers which changes the question to what is the fundamental relationship between the entity called Wanda and the entity called PheonixScarlet Witch

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Marvel canon is that Humans were taught magic by extra-dimensional powers and gods (Hecate, Cthon, Agamotto etc) so the first witches did have mentors available to teach/guide/manipulate/exploit them.

Those beings dont use spells, they are magical by nature - arguably the Scarlet Witch force which has come to Wanda is also at the level of those Magical-by-nature Powers which changes the question to what is the fundamental relationship between the entity called Wanda and the entity called PheonixScarlet Witch

I don’t think there is such an entity. Rather, there is a title, and a prophecy, and Wanda in her full power has that title and the look to go with it.

 

[Retreater]

Just popping in and not reading any comments to avoid potential spoilers. I haven't watched since the first episode, which I thought was meandering, pointless, and generally bad tv. Does it get better, and how many episodes do I have to watch before the concept actually starts to make sense?
And if I don't like it, do you think this will be required viewing for future MCU movies?

 

[Eric V]

Just popping in and not reading any comments to avoid potential spoilers. I haven't watched since the first episode, which I thought was meandering, pointless, and generally bad tv. Does it get better, and how many episodes do I have to watch before the concept actually starts to make sense?
And if I don't like it, do you think this will be required viewing for future MCU movies?

Well, it's Marvel, so they're always trying to sell you on the next thing, but you could probably read a wiki entry and be fine.

 

[Tonguez]

Just popping in and not reading any comments to avoid potential spoilers. I haven't watched since the first episode, which I thought was meandering, pointless, and generally bad tv. Does it get better, and how many episodes do I have to watch before the concept actually starts to make sense?
And if I don't like it, do you think this will be required viewing for future MCU movies?

3 episodes seems to be a rule for Marvel shows - even back with the Defenders series, episode 3 was when the action started.

 

[Eric V]

She knows she can boot people, and control the bubble itself, ie the period, color, style, etc. She doesn’t seem to know she can make people act a certain way, and seem surprised or distressed when she sees direct evidence of that (usually from Agnes or Vision).

She definitely doesn’t know that she is causing the above to be the case, and even what I describe above she may not know at the start of episode 1.

She gains more understanding over the course of the show.

If you wanna complain that this is somehow unrealistic or unbelievable, go ahead, but it is what the show establishes as basically the major arc of the show.

Well, as early as episode 2, Wanda resets reality with the guy emerging from the sewer. When Vision first questions what's going on, she resets that too. That involves people. But more importantly, if Wanda doesn't seem to think she's controlling people...shouldn't she wonder why they are acting like they are in the 50s?

It doesn't make sense to think that "I can control the period, style, colour, but the people are all just going along with it out of their free will."

Not asking the question is a problem. I know why she doesn't: nothing matters to her but her own grief. But if she doesn't know it's because she doesn't want to know.

I am certainly not saying the show is unrealistic or unbelievable in terms of magic, etc. I am hardly the only one giving side-eye to the ending being her just going off with Monica delivering that ludicrous line, and everyone else is left with "Eh, I guess that's it then. Hope she doesn't **** anyone else up." I know people are saying she's incarcerated herself away to learn more about her power, but 1) If you can be "not incarcerated" whenever you just decide it, you're not really incarcerated; and 2) The Scarlet Witch power comes at the end, but her initial problem, the one that caused all this trouble is her grief...and she's not getting help with that at all.